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by Karly on 28 February 2009 - 07:02

I was told today that severe cow-hocks (the dog in question was a GSD) are a symptom or at least a tell of hip displasia.  Anyone else ever hear of this?  True or another wive's tale?

And here are links to pics of my female GSD Nadja whom I recently rescued from the local shelter.  I have never been able to get pics to load onto this forum but if anyone else can, feel free to do so and thank you.  If the links to her pics work, let me know what you all think of her, as in what bloodlines may she be from?  She is a big dog at 112lbs (she's also pretty fat!).  If I had to guess from my not-so vast knowledge, I would think German working lines but with emphesis on size, maybe someone breeding for "king" shepherds.  She was part of a breeding program here in Northern California (I have talked with her former owner as she came with her rabies and spay certs) that was broken up sometime in the last couple years.  According to him, the husband and wife owners had around nine females between them and other people and the husband and wife who ran the outfit both ended up with criminal charges having to do with the dog 'ring'.  Nadja came from Redding, CA, to be exact.  In fact, Nadja was sold at a public auction along with the rest of the owner's property.  I see no sense in trying to find papers on her as she is not tattooed and even if she had come with reg. papers, who knows how true her pedigree was with all that mess going on.  I was told by her former owner that her puppies sold for $2,000 each, but that's another 'who-knows'!  But she's a wonderful dog who is well worth the $25 I paid to bail her out of the pound and now she has a warm place to live and gets to run with the other dogs alongside my mountain bike.  She was not, however, happy about being 'stacked' and I'm sure I didn't do the best job anyway.  Thank you in advance and have a good day!

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by Jeff Oehlsen on 28 February 2009 - 09:02

 Complete and utter (udder) bullshit. I have had OFA excellent dogs that were cowhocked pretty good. Nothing to do with HD.

Actually it would be nice to have something that clear of an indicator, just not that lucky.

by susanandthek9s on 28 February 2009 - 10:02

"I was told today that severe cow-hocks (the dog in question was a GSD) are a symptom or at least a tell of hip displasia.  Anyone else ever hear of this?  True or another wive's tale?"

Total nonsense. I had a working service dog (German working lines GSD) with a1 hips and terrible cow hocks. The cow hocks, by the way, had no effect at all on his function. I wish this myth would go away. It was very irritating to have people rush up to me while the dog was working and tell me that my poor dog had terrible hips and shouldn't be allowed to work.

Beardog

by Beardog on 28 February 2009 - 12:02

Just My Humble Opinion and a little experience.

Don't believe the bullshit that everyone is willing to give you as an unsolicited opinion. Everyone has dealt with this. Just because someone can put a dog on a leash and make it heel, bite, etc. doesn't make them a canine orthopedist. There are few very knowledgable people on here and some other boards that know the breed, and are willing to let you tap that knowledge if you just ask.

BTW he didn't look like his legs were touching in the photo you posted. The next opinion that you may get is from some idiot looking at his mouth, closed, from 20 feet away and telling you that he doesn't have good dentition or bite. ou just learn to laugh at some point in time, or just get to the point that you tell tham that opinions are like As__h___s, everyone has one.

Cow hocks, bunny hopping, etc. are not indicators of bad hips. X-Rays are.
Beardog

Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 28 February 2009 - 13:02

Kings I've seen are often long-haired and have soft backs. She doesn't look like a King to my eye, more German working lines. Actually, she reminds me a lot of my own rescue, but I have no idea what HIS lines are, either, so no help there!

(BTW, the King shepherd came from the Shiloh lines, and is NOT pure GSD...never has been.) Anyone trying to sell you an oversized GSD as a "King" sheperd is trying to pull a fast one on you!

She's got a lovely head, almost too strong for a bitch, and terrific bone. What a sweet expression, too, in the head shot you posted. I can see why she wound up being rescued by you...I'd have a hard time resisting that face myself!

Good luck to you both!


starrchar

by starrchar on 28 February 2009 - 18:02

My last GSD was slightly cow hocked and had OFA good hips. I had them X-rayed again at 12 years of age because his back end was weakening and losing muscle  As it turned out the weakening was due to arthritis of the spine, but his hips were still in the range of OFA good according to the vet.





 


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