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by mobjack on 18 February 2009 - 21:02
Wow! Lots of great answers on Question #1!
Thanks All!
So good if fact that it leads to question #2:
EXCLUDING HD and ED since we all know about those and how bad they are.
What is the worst physical genetic problem ( IE: TVS, hemophilia, cauda equina, allergies, bloat, DM, megaE) we see in the breed today and why?
What can we do as breeders to educate ourselves and the buying public?
Thanks All!
So good if fact that it leads to question #2:
EXCLUDING HD and ED since we all know about those and how bad they are.
What is the worst physical genetic problem ( IE: TVS, hemophilia, cauda equina, allergies, bloat, DM, megaE) we see in the breed today and why?
What can we do as breeders to educate ourselves and the buying public?
by Princess on 18 February 2009 - 22:02
I think cancers are becoming more on going. I believe that we all live with things in our daily routines that expose us to cancer causing elements, and believe that we expose our dogs to the same things. Food , plastic, ect. Plus find a way to cut their da__ nails with out making them crazy Ha.
by july9000 on 18 February 2009 - 22:02
I think EPI-megaE and DM is a major concern..Hemophilia can be tested and it is not prevalent here in the state..I don't think we can do so much about bloat since every large breed is at risk altought some lines have it more than others. Of course cancer is a big issue but there are so many different types so it is difficult to point at one i particular..
Research before you breed..talk to the breeders around and find about problems related to your line and the one you want to include in your genetic pool..read. Go to events and meet people who share the same interests.
Don't be narrow minded!!
Research before you breed..talk to the breeders around and find about problems related to your line and the one you want to include in your genetic pool..read. Go to events and meet people who share the same interests.
Don't be narrow minded!!
by Uber Land on 18 February 2009 - 23:02
we're losing too many young dogs to Bloat nowadays.
how many top dogs were lost last year who were under 5 yrs old?
EPI, MegaEsophagus, allergies, all these need to be worked on.
No one has mentioned reproduction issue's! to me this is a big problem in the german showlines. bitches throwing 1-3 puppy litters, only being able to concieve thru surgical AI or hormone therapy. bitches not even going thru real heats. how will we improve the breed if we can't even produce puppies
how many top dogs were lost last year who were under 5 yrs old?
EPI, MegaEsophagus, allergies, all these need to be worked on.
No one has mentioned reproduction issue's! to me this is a big problem in the german showlines. bitches throwing 1-3 puppy litters, only being able to concieve thru surgical AI or hormone therapy. bitches not even going thru real heats. how will we improve the breed if we can't even produce puppies
by july9000 on 19 February 2009 - 00:02
I didn't know german showlines had a problem with fertility..what could be the problem? Stress..too much line breeding? Breeding bitches that give you one pups and keeping those to breed?
I find that daughters usually ressemble their mother for whelping and breeding..We don't seem to have this with Am. Lines.
I find that daughters usually ressemble their mother for whelping and breeding..We don't seem to have this with Am. Lines.
by Uber Land on 19 February 2009 - 00:02
I have been seeing this for a few years with german showline bitches I have bought and from other breeders. either the bitches DO NOT conceive, they don't fully come into heat (like a partial heat), or the only way they can conceive is thru AI, mostly surgical AI. and alot of bitches are producing small litters. avg. litter I have been seeing on a german bitch is 4-6 pups. granted thats a decent size litter, but most large breed dogs have closer to 10 pups a litter, same is true with the american dogs I had, I always had 8-10 puppies a litter.
you will find alot of breeders deny this, but just look at websites and on the board for litter announcements. we are getting smaller litters. I know several very reputable show breeders in my area that have bicthes who can only conceive thru Surgical AI.
and I do believe it is from keeping females out of these dogs and breeding them too. Breeders keep breeding bitches who aren't good mothers too. its just continueing the problem.
is this a fertility issue? an inbreeding issue? or a structure issue (roached backs ect.)?
breeders have been turning a blind eye to this, and I am afraid in 5-10 years we are gonna have alot of reproduction problems with the breed.
you will find alot of breeders deny this, but just look at websites and on the board for litter announcements. we are getting smaller litters. I know several very reputable show breeders in my area that have bicthes who can only conceive thru Surgical AI.
and I do believe it is from keeping females out of these dogs and breeding them too. Breeders keep breeding bitches who aren't good mothers too. its just continueing the problem.
is this a fertility issue? an inbreeding issue? or a structure issue (roached backs ect.)?
breeders have been turning a blind eye to this, and I am afraid in 5-10 years we are gonna have alot of reproduction problems with the breed.
by 4pack on 19 February 2009 - 01:02
I haven't had any of these life threatening things in any dogs in 17 yrs of GSD's. 2 dogs with ED and some sporatic skin allergies in the fall. I didn't even know what megaE, caudia equina or DM was and I still don't know what TVM is. Never met a hemophiliac dog but I did have a neighbor who had a epileptic GSD when I was in HS. I thought only horses got bloat and torsion. I just fed my dogs at 7 this morning and ran them 3 miles at 8. Am I worried about bloat? Nope.
People need to quit being hush hush when their dogs have issues, so we can find out where it's coming from and avoid all this shit! HD is the least of our worries these days and such a big deal is made about OFA.
People need to quit being hush hush when their dogs have issues, so we can find out where it's coming from and avoid all this shit! HD is the least of our worries these days and such a big deal is made about OFA.
by mobjack on 19 February 2009 - 03:02
Once again, we're getting some GREAT answers here.
Princess suggested cancer.... Uber Land fertility issues...... Both MAJOR problems....
how about soft ears? faulty dentition?
4pack says:
"I didn't even know what megaE, caudia equina or DM was and I still don't know what TVM is."
And THAT is exactly why I thought I'd run a round of questions like this...we can't pick the best breeding stock and truly breed for the betterment of the breed if we unknowingly continue to reproduce defects.
Bravo and thank you to all those reading and answering!
Cheers!
Princess suggested cancer.... Uber Land fertility issues...... Both MAJOR problems....
how about soft ears? faulty dentition?
4pack says:
"I didn't even know what megaE, caudia equina or DM was and I still don't know what TVM is."
And THAT is exactly why I thought I'd run a round of questions like this...we can't pick the best breeding stock and truly breed for the betterment of the breed if we unknowingly continue to reproduce defects.
Bravo and thank you to all those reading and answering!
Cheers!
by Uber Land on 19 February 2009 - 03:02
I hadn't had an issue with soft ears so far. But I generally choose my dogs out of stock who have correct strong ears. but some lines produce big ears with thin ear leather. I do have a VA Viernheimi Nick daughter with HUGE ears, but they stand well. Her nickname is Yoda dog.
and again I hadn't ran into too many mouth issue's either. I have heard from other breeders about them getting over bites and stuff from a few males they've bred to, top VA males.
some of these lines are also known for produce MANY monocryptorchid and cryptorchid dogs.
something else that hadn't been discussed and I've seen a few times from a famous breeder, I call them seal puppies. the back legs bend the opposite direction. with muscle building exercises, some can eventually walk, though they look crippled. others never walk and scoot around on their rears. I rescued a pom pup that was due to be put to sleep with this problem. he was mean as hell and lived to be 5 years old (he had other deformities too) he would scoot across the yard as fast as he could trying to bite my gsd in the shins :) man we miss that little guy
and again I hadn't ran into too many mouth issue's either. I have heard from other breeders about them getting over bites and stuff from a few males they've bred to, top VA males.
some of these lines are also known for produce MANY monocryptorchid and cryptorchid dogs.
something else that hadn't been discussed and I've seen a few times from a famous breeder, I call them seal puppies. the back legs bend the opposite direction. with muscle building exercises, some can eventually walk, though they look crippled. others never walk and scoot around on their rears. I rescued a pom pup that was due to be put to sleep with this problem. he was mean as hell and lived to be 5 years old (he had other deformities too) he would scoot across the yard as fast as he could trying to bite my gsd in the shins :) man we miss that little guy
by july9000 on 19 February 2009 - 18:02
Mobjack..
I think that soft ears and dentition problems can be out of a breeding program quite easily if you do your research right about the line you use..For me..one missing teeth is a big problem because usually dention problem are very much hereditary. It is a problem but it is not a lethal or debilitating problem and maybe that is why people are less concern about it.
But we should be concern of course..
I think that soft ears and dentition problems can be out of a breeding program quite easily if you do your research right about the line you use..For me..one missing teeth is a big problem because usually dention problem are very much hereditary. It is a problem but it is not a lethal or debilitating problem and maybe that is why people are less concern about it.
But we should be concern of course..
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