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by mobjack on 18 February 2009 - 00:02

Hello all!
I've been a long time reader on this board but don't post much (can't stand the trolls) and really only post if I think I can contribute something. But we've had a lot of nice discussion here lately and a few new folks come on board.

So, in the interests of promoting some more good discussion and educating new folks to our breed, I thought I'd kick off a round of questions for everyone to answer if they would like.
Thanks to all!

So first question:
Not counting genetic problems or temperament (those will be separate questions). What do you as a breeder, owner, trainer, etc. see as the worst physical tendency or structural flaw in our breed today as compared to the SV standard and why? IE: roach backs, cow hocks, weak pasterns, oversized, etc.

Uber Land

by Uber Land on 18 February 2009 - 00:02

oversize, poor fronts, poor working temperament in showlines (nerves and no desire to work), poor movement.
too many reproduction problems.

I've been seeing alot of round eyes, domed foreheads, and blocky heads.  muzzles are getting too short on some of these showline males. If I wanted this I would stick to rottweilers

my major pet peeves are poor fronts, and improper expression.  I like dark almond shaped eyes, nice ears that stand strong, level top line and level muzzle.  both planes of the head should be parallel. 
I want a level back that doesn't roach during movement.  nice fluid gait.  non of this hackney motion or front ends raising up.

smartguy1469

by smartguy1469 on 18 February 2009 - 00:02

 i agree with oversize. I see it a lot in show lines.

jletcher18

by jletcher18 on 18 February 2009 - 01:02

is this taking the long road home?   i mean cant all things wrong in the breed be brought back to the breeders?  ie, breeding for color only, conformation only, or working ability only? 

form follows function.  what is the function of the GSD?   the phrase i am most fond of is "first at nothing, second at everything."   not sure who coined the phrase,  but i cant think of a better way to describe the German Shepherd Dog.  

if you want a dog that can do anything, then you have to build it as such.  is this not why we have a standard?   a set of guidlines to follow.   a blueprint  so to speak.    if someone is to start changing the form, and forgets the function then you end up with a pretty dog lacking in tempernment and working ability.   forget  that you need a structurally correct  animal to work properly,  and you end up with a dog with all the drive in the world, who can only work for limited time before it is spent. 

quit breeding for singularity, breed for the total dog. 

john

 


by beetree on 18 February 2009 - 01:02

 On function, it is not static, therefore the dog cannot remain static.

jletcher18

by jletcher18 on 18 February 2009 - 02:02

of course function is not static, thats why one should breed for a dog that can do anything at anytime.    static is what gets us dogs who are wonderful on the working field and suck in the ring, and dogs that will win in the ring all the time and suck on the field.

how many working class dogs at any countries sieger show do you also see at their national compition?  a couple, if your lucky.  vice versa,  how many dogs at the national schutzhund championship will you ever see in a show ring?  the same couple of dogs would be my guess. 

i know that a lot of people dont think that schutzhund  and the show ring are what make a great dog,,, but on the other hand i will take that over someones word that their dog is the greatest and they dont do a thing with them but breed. 

john

by beetree on 18 February 2009 - 02:02

But, for other than yourself, the definition of function is flexible. You define the type of dog you want by what you want to do with it.

jletcher18

by jletcher18 on 18 February 2009 - 02:02

i dont want the function to be flexible,,, i want the dog to be.

in the past the german shepherd dog has been used for just about everthing.   patrol work, war dog, companion,  guide dog for the blind,  any kind of detection work you want, search and rescue,  etc. 

a dog  with the correct structure, tempernment, and working ability should be able to do anything asked of it.  

although the function may change, if the dog is correct in all other aspects it should be able to perform.

the trick is not finding a dog that fits your function, but finding a dog that can funtion in anything you ask of it. 

john


by beetree on 18 February 2009 - 02:02

I just don't even want to see a roach back. I don't want a cowardly dog, and yet I want a kid friendly dog. I don't like the akita faces, keep that wedge! I love big proud ears, but they shouldn't flop. I adore the look of Eagles and the fact this dog can think, and I swear he has a sense of humor. His reputation is earned with the delivery guys, and I want to keep it that way, but I don't want a lawsuit either. I've only ever had GSD's that bite so all the big bru-ha-ha everyone makes about grabbing a tug toy is just a bit over kill to me. Just a few thoughts from the petside.

Uber Land

by Uber Land on 18 February 2009 - 02:02

I'm with jletcher18
these dogs should be able to do anything.
thats the problem nowadays, you have your breeders who only want to win in the ring, so they breed to the dogs who bring home the ribbons,  doesn't matter if the dog can work or has a mind of its own.
  then you have working breeders who want dog who can bring home the points. doesn't matter if the avg. person can't live with the high energy, prey monster.  I hate to see dogs that only live in a kennel just to be brought out for training and then go back to the kennel.
function has became too specific.  






 


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