Teaching the (schH) Out of Motion exercises

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by sueincc on 14 February 2009 - 22:02

I was unable to find a thread on this, though I'm sure there are more than a few. Let's discuss our various techniques and methods. Maybe some of us will learn new things and maybe some of us will learn for the first time!

by habanaro on 14 February 2009 - 22:02

Used a table with NO compulsion(other than verbal) on my last dog and it worked well. Would walk around outside of table with dogs on a loose leash. told them to sit or platz and the gave them a marker word and a reward when they complied. No sit , no platz= no reward... gradually extended distances to giving reward and then tranferred to small confined ares then to training field

In training I will reinforce as they get older with the dog getting a bite

Jeff

by tigermouse on 14 February 2009 - 23:02

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by Q Man on 14 February 2009 - 23:02

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by animules on 14 February 2009 - 23:02

I've learned it a couple ways. One is to tell them the command then pivot to right in front of them facing them. The other is to give the command then "walk in place" right next to them. Eventually you start walking a few steps then pivot and return right away. Keep extending the distance until you are far enough away. The walk in place is a good refresher too.

by 4pack on 15 February 2009 - 00:02

I do it the good old fasioned way, start by stoping with my dog, then only pausing, then just giving a jerk as I keep walking then adding more and more speed, doing it at an all out run, to a sit or down. When we master that, then I do the call offs and downs during a recall. This just seems the most logical way to go about it.

by jletcher18 on 15 February 2009 - 00:02

first i make sure my dog knows sit and down anywhere. i take my dog out play, walk, whatever and give the command. my dog does it and i release them. when they know the command wholeheartedly, then i will add it to my healing.

i also use the methods that animules describes.

if i have a dog that still want to walk with me i will have a second person follow behind me with a long line on the dog. when i give the command they will pull back to "intice" the dog to sit.
for the down i use the old hand swing. when i give the command i swing my hand forward and tap the dog on the head to make them go into a down. basically they learn to avoid the correction without a lot of movement from me.

i dont start teaching the stand untill i get my sch1. no need to add one more thing the dog can mess up on trial day.

for the stand, i have used a belly band and pull up as i give the command. mix with stoping, walking in place etc.

happy training,
john

by Mystere on 15 February 2009 - 03:02

I teach a combination of Tina and 4pack's method. A lot of it depends on the dog. :-) I start teaching "stand" from the imprint stage, along with sit and platz. I then train it as a motion exercise. That is what I did with my male and he had a solid stand before we got the Sch 1. "Tacking on " the stand after the Sch 1 with my late bitch was harder and took longer than I thought it should have. So, with my male, he was taught the stand as a puppy. My current Devil Child bitch puppy understands "stand." In a few months, she will learn it as a motion exercise. Btw I used the hallway to teach the .motion exercises initially. It's a small hallway, so more controlable.

by Rezkat5 on 15 February 2009 - 14:02

I guess I use a combo of things.   just start doing it slowly in the yard for food or toy, once they have a good fast sit and a good fast down....though it's usually off leash, not from a formal heel. Eventually will add the leash in there at some point....

One thing that I have done is almost over do the platz and if I'm not careful that is their default.

Right now I rarely do the down in motion with my girl, as she likes it and prefers that to a sit, but not the stand. For recalls I leave her from a stationary position.   Coming from herding training also, they pretty much have a stand in motion anyway, so adding that was actually pretty easy.   In herding, they were taught Bleib Stein, then Stey.....    So I start with the same in Schutzhund, then eventually convert to just the stey.....and won't do a recall from the stand, only from a short distance.   Again, they have it from herding, and they anticipate that enough, don't want them antipicating in Schutzhund. They learn quickly in herding, that once you've led all the sheep past the dog in a stand, they get called.

Although I know that the stand is a ways off, I've worked it in too. For some reason, I do try to keep them in order while training, some things aren't neccessarily bad to pattern train.....Like doing the send away after retrieves, both of mine like the send away, so a little anitcipation there can work in your favor.....

by Changer on 15 February 2009 - 15:02

If your dog is heeling in drive (not everyone teaches this) then make sure that they can first do quick sits, downs and stands in drive. Example, Ivan's game. The dog is going for the toy, then asked for quick obedience. I find that this is a genetic thing, the ability to go from prey to obedience quickly or not so quickly.
I also teach a tuck up sit instead of the rock back to give the dog the skill to sit quicker. Try it!
Shade

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