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by moose88 on 14 February 2009 - 20:02
I have a question, if your dog knows down and stays, and when you call them to you they sometimes come, but then sometimes veer off to there kennel. How do you correct this? Another problem is when it is done off leash, when the down command is given, the dog sometimes downs, or sometimes walks around a bit, then downs.
by Gershep2 on 14 February 2009 - 21:02
Heidi
by Neuer Monde Shepherds on 14 February 2009 - 21:02
To help with the down stay try using a long line. When you ask them to come to you give them a chance to follow the command through, if they get distracted of veer off track give the line a sharp jerk and repeat the command as you do so. I tend to think that both problems are coming from the fact that your dog may not yet be solid in his on leash work and until that is there he will not be clear in what you want from him. Make sure your body language is always the same when you are giving commands. And your commands are in the same voice and tone. Practice, practice and more practice. they should be worked every day, the length of time is dependent on how well they do that day. If you are having trouble with the long down and they get it right away do something else and give that dog lots of praise. Overworking one thing can lead to boredom which may also be your issue in the dog not going down when you command. Make sure your voice inflects the meaning that down means down now! I hope through all of this you have your ball or toy in your pocket to give as instant reward to a job well done. That also keeps them focused and could be used as incentive to get her to come straight to you in the return. Just a few thought please let me know if you have any more questions. And good luck.
Shelby Dean
Neuer Monde Shepherds
by missbeeb on 14 February 2009 - 23:02
I've always taught what you seem to be on about, as a "wait". If I leave my dog, in whatever position, with the intention of calling it to me, it's a "wait". Stays are when I return to my dog.
I could be way off, but it sounds like your dog is unsure of what's expected of him.
by Ryanhaus on 14 February 2009 - 23:02
Always reward your dog for listening to the very comand you are asking at the moment,
if they screw it up they won't get the treat, you must be consistant, they will know right away
what they can get away with, you just have to be one up on them
That's if your dog already knows his downstays, if not, stand right in front of him real close & tell him
downstay, and after awhile stand alittle further away, act like your not looking at him, but if he moves
an inch, correct him right away, maybe even practice gabbing to your friend while your dog is in the
downstay, that lets the dog know that you think it's something he already knows, and you have the utmost
confidence he will do what is expected of him!
by moose88 on 14 February 2009 - 23:02
the dog does very well with down stay on leash, its like he is smart enough to know when it is on, and when the leash is off, cause he only pulls this when leash comes off.
by missbeeb on 14 February 2009 - 23:02
Of course he knows... but maybe he just knows he can't move away with the leash on... not that he shouldn't. I'd be very inclined to start from scratch. Sounds like he wants to escape... could you be doing too much of this?
by Ryanhaus on 14 February 2009 - 23:02
I did that with my dog Theo, after I was done walking him, we got to the driveway, and I was like good we're
home, I would take the lease off and immediately say ok go head, and he would run in the yard,
Now I come home & take the leash off tell him stay, and make him wait till I open the gate
CONDITIONING, has to do with the trainer.
You have answered your omn question, he just needs reinforcing while working on the downstay
off leash!
by Two Moons on 15 February 2009 - 00:02
Consistant corrects and repitition, use the long line till he gets it right , then more repititions.
At the end of training switch the leash for a long line and release the dog, as he sprints off step on the line. Rinse and repeat. During calm down time leave the line on. Use a lighter line for this. Let him know being free isn't really free.
Later as he gets it add distractions and keep on going.
Keep corrections consistant and void of emotions.
by Bucko on 15 February 2009 - 00:02
I HAVE ANOTHER POINT OF VIEW ON THIS ONE.
I have seen this in AVOIDANT dogs. The crate or kennel provides psychological protection and gives the dog a chance to create her own "time-out". (Having that control reduces her anxiety. This is almost universal in humans. The problem is that we prefer dogs who don't need to be in control to feel okay.)
The delay in platzing can also be due to sensitivity. Some dogs hate wet ground, muddy ground, icy ground, smelly ground, rocky ground -- you get it -- and need to check it out before dropping. In fact, I once competed in an AKC Open class many years ago in a pouring rain and my dog was the ONLY dog of 19 to drop on recall. All the other 18 stood or crouched and disqualified. This was OPEN B -- so every dog had done this in competition at least three times before and were already titled. My dog dropped NOT because of the "quality" of my training -- he just liked water! He even scored 196.5 (equivalent to 98 in SchH OB) despite the horrible weather because the water was not an issue for him. I doubt you could train a dog to turn up under all adverse circumstances.
In your case, I would slow the training down so s/he is less stressed out. Shorter, easier sessions. You may be able to build up to long fast sessions, but some dogs, like alcoholics, just need to take things one thing at a time. 
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