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by Vikram on 10 February 2009 - 09:02
Hi,
In protection work do the helpers sometimes go overboard?. Are there fixed routines or rules/ drill of agitation work in different exercises? Does the judge define how much and what EXACTLY stimulus to be given to agitate the dog? Can one go overbaord with the agitation routine. Fi so what effect does it have on the dog?
cheers
In protection work do the helpers sometimes go overboard?. Are there fixed routines or rules/ drill of agitation work in different exercises? Does the judge define how much and what EXACTLY stimulus to be given to agitate the dog? Can one go overbaord with the agitation routine. Fi so what effect does it have on the dog?
cheers
by smartguy1469 on 10 February 2009 - 11:02
By overboard I assume you are referring to the amount of pressure the decoy puts on the dog. The answer is yes you can put to much on a dog. It works on case by case basis. A good helper will read the dog and its body language and know how much is too much for that dog at that time, however in a trial a good decoy will put the same amount of pressure on every dog in order to be fair. This also helps the judge be accurate in his/her evaluation. The good news is that if your dog is pushed to hard then you can fix the damage by taking a few steps back to build confidence. No stick, No yelling just happy voice and good boys for a little bit.
by judron55 on 10 February 2009 - 13:02
There is a difference between trial work and training!
If your dog is sensitive to stick hits, no matter what you do to mask this character fault...it will never go away! It is the judge and helpers job to show the dogs weakness in a trial!
If your dog is sensitive to stick hits, no matter what you do to mask this character fault...it will never go away! It is the judge and helpers job to show the dogs weakness in a trial!
by CrzyGSD on 10 February 2009 - 14:02
In a regular club trial i try to help out the dog if needed. Especially for the SchH1's. The judge will notice regardless. A lot of people are beginers. So i try to help out as much as i can. But when it's a Regional Event or higher they should all be tested. I believe you shouldn't push a SchHA or SchH1 dog like you would a SchH3 dog at a Regional or National.
Mark
www.ultimatekanine.com
Mark
www.ultimatekanine.com
by realcold on 10 February 2009 - 14:02
Judges who have my respect PUSH Sch 1 dogs very hard as it is THE qualification for breeding by reputable breeders. As the old saying goes "Go after them as the good get better and the rest go home."
by Jeff Oehlsen on 10 February 2009 - 14:02
I think if a dog can be run, then it is the job of the helper to run him, 1 2 3 or whatever. Now in training, I do not believe that running a dog should be part of the mentality at all.
by realcold on 10 February 2009 - 14:02
Agree totally with you Jeff. Ideally a dog gets stronger with training and feels confident with an undefeated career. Takes good helper work in training to bring out the best in a dog.
by 4pack on 10 February 2009 - 15:02
"Judges who have my respect PUSH Sch 1 dogs very hard as it is THE qualification for breeding by reputable breeders. As the old saying goes "Go after them as the good get better and the rest go home." "
I'm sooo glad I'm not the only one who feels that way. 
Helping a dog squeek by is doing no one any favors, least of all the breed. There are winners and there will be losers, people need to deal with that fact.
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Helping a dog squeek by is doing no one any favors, least of all the breed. There are winners and there will be losers, people need to deal with that fact.by MarioF on 10 February 2009 - 15:02
When you are the trial helper you are under the direction of the judge, they instruct the helper on how the escape , how long the long the drives will be . Some Judges are strict some are lax. It is the judge name that goes in the scorebook saying they judge the Sch1.
"I'm sooo glad I'm not the only one who feels that way.
Helping a dog squeek by is doing no one any favors, least of all the breed. There are winners and there will be losers, people need to deal with that fact."
Not everybody has intention on breeding their dogs, some just want to train, trial and have fun. To them it is just a hobby.
"I'm sooo glad I'm not the only one who feels that way.
Helping a dog squeek by is doing no one any favors, least of all the breed. There are winners and there will be losers, people need to deal with that fact."Not everybody has intention on breeding their dogs, some just want to train, trial and have fun. To them it is just a hobby.
by 4pack on 10 February 2009 - 16:02
Oh, so if it's "just s hobby" it's OK to "make sure" they pass, so they feel good? I don't believe in that mentality. It's a sport, if you are going to "play" there are rules, there are winners and there are losers. Now if you just want to practice on your home field, that's one thing but once to enter "the game" there is always the potential to lose. That mentalitty that everyone goes home a winner is the downfall of todays society and why most people have entitlement issues.
It's too easy for someone to change their mind about breeding their dog, to hand out Sch1's everybody who steps out on the field.
It's too easy for someone to change their mind about breeding their dog, to hand out Sch1's everybody who steps out on the field.
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