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by Mystere on 07 February 2009 - 00:02
by eichenluft on 07 February 2009 - 01:02
H'Doc v Rex Lupus Schh3,FH2,KKl-1,a-normal HD/ED - ZW 69. He's black and very handsome :) Super dog in every way, with excellent pedigree. Available to quality and approved females (titles definately preferred).
His pedigree - http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/558720.html
picture album of Doc - http://picasaweb.google.com/eichenluft/DocDec2008#
Molly
Eichenluft Working German Shepherds
http://workinggermanshepherd.com
by lhczth on 07 February 2009 - 01:02
'V' Hannes v. Spadener Holz SchH3 IP3 FH KKL1 a1 zw:71 http://www.vongrunheideshepherds.com/maledogs.html
No, I have not seen him work. Have heard a lot of good things about him and how he is producing. He is in Washington.
Lisa

by ShelleyR on 07 February 2009 - 01:02
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by MI_GSD on 07 February 2009 - 01:02
I have a very solid Mink/Fero free boy that is IPO3 but I've pretty much retired him now. I may or may not try to breed him one more time to my girl.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/437900.html
by Bob McKown on 07 February 2009 - 01:02

by VIANDEN on 07 February 2009 - 03:02
I have a really good strong male SG Zico van't Linnershof Sch3 FH Ofa Excellent with solid, stabe temperaments, good working ability and iron nerves....that are Fero/Mink-free. I live here in North Idaho.
http://vomhausvianden.tripod.com

by CrzyGSD on 07 February 2009 - 13:02
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by eichenluft on 07 February 2009 - 14:02
Speaking for myself and many - most?- working-line breeders - Fero and Mink ARE excellent to have in a working pedigree. Without a doubt. But they were so great, that they were used a great deal, and so today it is difficult to find a working-line dog without either/or in the pedigree. With these two dogs prominant in most west-german working-line pedigrees, you must line-breed on these dogs, sometimes doubling-up on them more than once in breeding. This is what Mystery calls "bottlenecking" - pretty soon you have a line that is chok-full of Mink and/or Fero, and the genetic line gets clogged with these lines. Since many/most working-line females, for instance, have Fero/Mink in their pedigree - it would be good to breed to a stud without Fero/Mink, for a litter that is not line-bred on these dogs. Then, puppies from that litter can be brought back to a dog with Fero/Mink again without so much line-breeding and doubling-up on these dogs.
Linebreeding can be good, but out-crossing can also be good for genetic diversity and to avoid too much line-breeding especially on these great dogs that were used so much and are so prevalent in these lines.
molly

by ShelleyR on 07 February 2009 - 14:02
Unfortunately, my current dog, and my last (Pallo) have been largely overlooked in this country despite fine produce on the ground. Then again, I bought them for MYSELF, not with any dreams of making a lot of money from stud fees, especially after Pallo (an own son of Marc, linebred on Greif, with an awesome immediate family) only got maybe ten breedings in the US.
At this point I think I am one of a very few people in North America who has Marc close up in more than one dog's pedigree to manage a linebreeding on that excellent dog without traveling a long, long distance... a fact that delights me to no end. :-) I wish the dogs I have had Harro closer up that 4th generation as well, but Harro has been dead a long time.
Bijou has Fero through Troll, and is linebred on Harro, but he is missing two P2's, not considered worthy of the breed survey, so he's out of the gene pool. (heartbreaking if you know Bij) Still, there's nothing else wrong with him and he's a gas to work, so I am having a lot of fun with him now that he's finally grown up in his little brain enough to do more with. Harro males are notoriously late to mature, but I knew that when I searched for him in the first place.
Look for Bij to take out a helper near you. LOL
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