Brains or Drive? - Page 1

Which do you guys like best the GSD that works from drive and does not always consider the consequences or brains the dog who thinks?
Example the GSD with so much drive they crash into walls and slide all over the place on slippery floors or the GSD that sometimes you feel he is one step ahead, he has that look on his face like he is calculating the pros and the cons to the situation?

The thinker, even though you will get people on here saying dogs cannot reason. If I wanted a spaz that slammed into walls, I'd get a Mal.

As if I care. I have lost count, how many retarded prey monsters I have seen so far. I wish people would breed for brains instead of prey. A good solid dogs doesn't need a TON of prey. Freaking out on small children is NOT a good quality in any dog, stricly sport prospect or not. I have seen dogs with more prey than they can handle, still worry on the bite and have shitty grips or pop off when you look at them sideways. Sorry but the prey does NOT get them through it all.

Lately I have scene some high priced well trained dogs on the field dogs that every one waatching wished they ownd the dog. But I noticed that some of those people take their dogs from the kennel to the crate to the field and then back home in the kennel. The dog is a nerve bag around people. Simply dissapointing...
But i enjoy training and ownind dogs that have brains and drive.

I am not going to mention specific lines or dogs because i am not going that rout. those of us who have worked many dogs and scene dogs understand what I am refering too. I am not saying that certain lines produce that. I am speaking of individual dogs.

This is a very false premise.  Drives have nothing to do with “brains”.

Dogs people say are “considering the consequences” are simply lacking courage and/or drive in most cases. A working dog is in the service of his handler and does not need to “think”. The handler is the thinker. If the handler tells the dog to do it, the dog should have a strong enough relationship and trust of it’s handler and the courage to follow through, to do it.

 For instance, if a SAR dog is working in extreme heat he can’t think that he should stop and cool off. He needs to keep going. A persons life my hang in the balance. It’s the job of the handler to decide if the dog should cool off or not.  

When a dog has more drive than brains...there is a problem. We have all seen these dogs, lets not pretend they don't exist.

I'm done for the night, pick this back up in the am.

I agree in the sense that my dogs are trained that if I say go its go time.
Is it trust or is it that they are doing it for the reward. This was a comment and debate on y other thread, you know the whole love, trust doing to please verse doing for reward.  I am glad I am not the only one who cant sleep....