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by Bok on 24 January 2009 - 16:01
Does this mean that if I have a show line dog, it won't train, say for Schutzhund, as good as a working line dog?
by RLHAR on 24 January 2009 - 16:01
All dogs are individuals, Bok and no one sitting behind a computer can really tell you what you and your dog are going to find pleasurable to do together and excel at.
Train her as if she's going to be the best at whatever it is you two love to do and have a good time.
Train her as if she's going to be the best at whatever it is you two love to do and have a good time.
by Two Moons on 24 January 2009 - 16:01
The difference is intense breeding focused on one thing.
by Sunsilver on 24 January 2009 - 16:01
We had a thread in the past where someone asked which show line sires were most capable of producing offspring that could really work. Unfortunately, I've searched for it and can't find it.
A thread like that might give you some idea as to whether the genetic potential is there, but as was said above, every dog is an individual!
Edit: found the thread!
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/165871.html#166250
A thread like that might give you some idea as to whether the genetic potential is there, but as was said above, every dog is an individual!
Edit: found the thread!
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/165871.html#166250
by jaymesie51 on 24 January 2009 - 17:01
breeders
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by Baldursmom on 24 January 2009 - 17:01
Very loaded question on this board!
In my experience, both are great if you purchase from a reputatble breeder and learn the art of training the dog.
In GENERAL:
Showlines tend have less drive partially because there careers are geared to the show ring and the pet market. They are typically easier for a pet owner not familiar with a real working dog to have in the home. Most often, the best schutzhund performance comes from showline dogs that are at the end of the conformation line. They might not give you 300 scores, but if the instincts are there, they can be fun to train and a bit easier for the novice owner.
A true working dog has drives and intellegence that can confound the uninitated owner. Good trainers with experience can help a new owner learn how to channel the drives and train a top competitor. They need challenges and a job to to do. If these needs are not meet, they can become what we think is destructive, but to the dog is basically making up a game or doing a job, for instance, removing a door that is obviously in the way of moving from one room to another and having access to his or her master or making sure no one gets into his masters home AT ALL!
This is not to say that a working line dog that is choosen by a knowledgable breeder that knows his pups and lines cannot help you obtain a great dog for your home or that a show breeder can't do the same. A good breeder will listen to you and take your experience and access to training into consideration before placing a pup with you. Make sure the breeder has healthy dogs that are capable of working.
Get to know the breeders, the dogs they breed and what YOU want and what YOU can provide the dog. If you really want that schiutzhund propect, you must be dedicated to the process and the hours of training involved. Get that facts on expense involved as well as the time needed to devote to the training.
In my experience, both are great if you purchase from a reputatble breeder and learn the art of training the dog.
In GENERAL:
Showlines tend have less drive partially because there careers are geared to the show ring and the pet market. They are typically easier for a pet owner not familiar with a real working dog to have in the home. Most often, the best schutzhund performance comes from showline dogs that are at the end of the conformation line. They might not give you 300 scores, but if the instincts are there, they can be fun to train and a bit easier for the novice owner.
A true working dog has drives and intellegence that can confound the uninitated owner. Good trainers with experience can help a new owner learn how to channel the drives and train a top competitor. They need challenges and a job to to do. If these needs are not meet, they can become what we think is destructive, but to the dog is basically making up a game or doing a job, for instance, removing a door that is obviously in the way of moving from one room to another and having access to his or her master or making sure no one gets into his masters home AT ALL!
This is not to say that a working line dog that is choosen by a knowledgable breeder that knows his pups and lines cannot help you obtain a great dog for your home or that a show breeder can't do the same. A good breeder will listen to you and take your experience and access to training into consideration before placing a pup with you. Make sure the breeder has healthy dogs that are capable of working.
Get to know the breeders, the dogs they breed and what YOU want and what YOU can provide the dog. If you really want that schiutzhund propect, you must be dedicated to the process and the hours of training involved. Get that facts on expense involved as well as the time needed to devote to the training.
by raymond on 24 January 2009 - 17:01
to baldursmom I must say your answer is most refreshing and accurate . I thank you for your honesty!
by Red Sable on 24 January 2009 - 19:01
Basically the Showline are the TOTAL dog, bred according to the standard, for work and conformation.
The workinglines concentrate mainly on how the dog can work, afterall it is a working breed. Some call them the ugly workinglines. I have posted two pictures, one is a working line, one is a showline
The workinglines concentrate mainly on how the dog can work, afterall it is a working breed. Some call them the ugly workinglines. I have posted two pictures, one is a working line, one is a showline
Can you guess which dog is of which line?
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by Uglydog on 24 January 2009 - 19:01
'THE STANDARD' was adapted...it means nothing anymore
These dogs cant perfom the early SchH BREEDING Tests with 8ft scaled wall jumps etc, which was the sole reason for Schutzhund. It was NOT a Sport but a Breed cert.
Showlines are about Money & owners egos.
Working lines are about Work and the dogs
"SV Changes the Standard. -John R Walker
It is reported in the July -August 1997 edition of the canine journal WUFF
that the SV, now under Herr Peter Mebler, has changed the 1993 version of
the breed standard so that a straight back is now specified.
Dr Helmut
Raiser described the currently fashionable GSD conformation as being
" A dog at the front and a frog at the back".
Bitch who won at worlds in Mexico June 1999.
Nice looking Working dog to you?
Its a Damn Shame & Outrage
These dogs cant perfom the early SchH BREEDING Tests with 8ft scaled wall jumps etc, which was the sole reason for Schutzhund. It was NOT a Sport but a Breed cert.
Showlines are about Money & owners egos.
Working lines are about Work and the dogs
"SV Changes the Standard. -John R Walker
It is reported in the July -August 1997 edition of the canine journal WUFF
that the SV, now under Herr Peter Mebler, has changed the 1993 version of
the breed standard so that a straight back is now specified.
Dr Helmut
Raiser described the currently fashionable GSD conformation as being
" A dog at the front and a frog at the back".
Bitch who won at worlds in Mexico June 1999.
Nice looking Working dog to you?
Its a Damn Shame & Outrage
by Red Sable on 24 January 2009 - 19:01
I'm not sure if you were directing your post to me Uglydog, but I totally agree with you.
It is an outrage, a joke, which is what I was trying to show by those two dogs I posted. The showline dog is
If that is what videx wants to happen to the workinglines, by making them prance around a showring than he can forget it.
It is an outrage, a joke, which is what I was trying to show by those two dogs I posted. The showline dog is
VA1 Visum von Arminius,..... sorry but yuck!
If that is what videx wants to happen to the workinglines, by making them prance around a showring than he can forget it.
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