How Much WEIGHT, Does Genetics Carry? - Page 1

     We all "want" dogs that are free from 'genetic' defect!  How much 'weight does the pedigree  of a particular Bloodline Carry?"
     What do we REALLY KNOW, about, 'What' A particular Bloodline Brings with it?"

     If dogs come from lines with no HD, are our dogs guaranteed not to carry? If all dogs that are bred to working lines, "will our dog be able to work?"

      Anyone got a clue? WHAT is the PREDICTOR?? ,Of what a Dog Will BE, or COULD BE!! 
 
Is it the Genetics, or, the particular dog?   OR the owner-trainer.    Who/What decides that.?

Just wondering what you might think!

you can have the best genetics in the world,  but if the dog is fed crap food, not treated right, not socialized, genetics really won't matter much.

but you can also consider, a dog with crappy genetics will never live up to the potential of a dog out of good genetics. no matter how it is fed or taken care of.  you can never fix a genetically poor temperament, no drives ect.

the key is finding a balance of good genetics and good enviroment (upbringing, food, proper training/exercise, socialization)

 

<<sorry I am having an off day,  hopefully I made some sense.  if not maybe someone who can explain better will post>>

Genetics are Everything. It doesn't matter what breed, the very first question a knowledgable fancier of said breed will ask, or should ask about a dog is, "how is he or she bred?

The pedigree is a road map or recipe to a desired result. Its true that the best breedings on paper don't always work out, but it still raises the odds dramatically that the offspring will be able to look or perform, or both as their pedigree implies.

As Uber Land stated, environment, nutrition, love, and training all are important variables, but even with the best of all of those, a dog cannot be expected to be something it wasn't bred to be.

Thanks Yellowrose! I was grounded for a while, but now I'm allowed back on the puter.

All good answers, genetics are prerequisite.  Genetics are the foundation or framework, of which the breeder and handler are empowered with the potential to build upon.  Not to contradict GARD in any way, but some producers can be very prepotent for certain characteristics without regard to inbreeding.  For example, the hard aggression found in Congo Vikar is not unusual in his direct offspring, so the temperament found in the 3-2 Congo for sale in this ad from today is not in the least surprising.

Genetics loads the gun, environment pulls the trigger.   Unless one really knows there lines and how the genes interact by repeated breeding to mutiple sires and damns, one cannot really predict  with 100% acuracy what the results will be.   You also have to consider the care of the female during gestation.  Disease, stress, injury ect have an effect on the nutrition the devloping pups will get and can affect the temperment or health of the offspring.

Genetics are not easy to undestand, we know what we see, the phenotype, not what is all there in the DNA code the genotype.  Sometimes they are one and the same if the trait in question is a controlled by a single gene.  Even here, the genetic make-up of the dog that is responsible for the varity in the species can cause a mutation from generation to generation.  If the trait is polygenetic and recessive, a trait you might not like could show up in the first generation or the next.  Then one must consider the development of the pup, do the chormosomes that the pup inheirits function correctly, turn on at the right time to develop the trait or properly control the funtion of an organ.  This can depend on development in the womd, conditions in the welping box, proper stimulation as a newborn, nutrition of the damn, milk supply and quality....

The process of line and in breeding emplyed on the development of every breed employs the theory that if each offspring has more genes in common, the more standard the breed will be.  It is the reason why most breeds are so uniform.  In the GSD, you may have a bitch and a sire with less in common at a 2-3 linebreeding than if you outcrossed.

All gsd developed form a handfull of dogs, line breed and inbreed till the breed was "standardized" .  Any genetic diversity comes form these foundation dogs.

Just like the Army, proper nutrition and environment will allow one to make their canine "All they can be".  One can see to it, their dog develops the traits they were born with, but no amount of nutrition or environment will put Heart and Courage into a canine. That is predetermined in the womb.

Good to see you back online Abhay.

I agree the blood must be there, but I don't think its as predictable as some would have you believe.

Without the bloodlines same deal, nothings predictable %100 of the time.   Natures unpredictable too.

Environment brings everything to its potential, but an animals either born with it or its not.   Thats why genetics are important.   Your odds are so much better when you know the history of a certain line and your own.
Someday there will be more information on the history of any given bloodline, medical as well as tittles and achievements, life span and ultimately the cause of the animals death.

Tracking problems through DNA maybe.

Your right about genetics are everything.   Second is the know how to bring those genetics out to their fullest potential.
Every champion has a trainer man or beast.