Guarantee's in working lines?? - Page 1

Just curious what do you like to see in a guarantee contract  for a working line  GSD besides hip and elbows.

Ears to stand, both testicals to decend for a male and a 2 week general health guarantee. This 2 weeks allows the buyer to get their new pup into their vet and get checked out to make sure they were sold a healthy pup.

There is no way to Guarantee this/that  puppy will do PP or ScHH as it has been said a million times puppies are crapp shots. We would all like to have the national puppy but that is far and few in between. so just the basics like Jason said. Now if you are buying a older dog then that changes everything. If they claim the dog has training then it better do what they say. ALWAYS see in person or videos.

And most people do not give 2weeks for health more like 48-72 hours due to a lot can happen in two weeks.

Most will not warranty temperament, drives or breeding.

EK

I don't belive in guarantees periods. Dog's are very similar to humans you don't know what you have it till it there grown up infront of you. Do you have kids? do you guarantee them to before theye were born :O) Puppies are crap shoot :)

 By doing your home work Backgrounds,syblings,lines, previous breedings do your home work and don,t buy the first puppy you look at and don,t get in a hurry. You can take alot of the "crap shoot" out of it by doing your home work because doing some real home work out there can stack the deck in your favor.

snajper69,

I agree 100% with you but in this country if you do not give a guarantee you most likely will be branded as a BYB or unethical ect

Really snaiper69 is right again guarantee what maybe the hip's that is about it. A pup is a crap shoot.  You have to trust the breeder.

Personally, I hate the "crapshoot" analogy.  The proper genetics must be present to do the work.  You can't just close your eyes and toss a dart at the german shepherd family tree, and expect similar random results wherever it lands.  If it were that basic, people could and would breed anything, without any regard to planning.  Beyond a hereditary standpoint, the genetics you are presented with need to be properly facilitated, to develop a working end result.  Finding the "right" dog for the right handler with the right method at the right time and place, is probably so rare to seem almost like winning a lottery, though.  My only point being like Bob said, do your research and improve your odds.

Sorry, but it really is a crap shoot.  The best breeders in the world of any breeds have gotten litters that are just not any quality at all.  You can breed excellent hips to excellent hips and get an entire litter of dysplastic dogs.  Yes, it is very important to do your homework and find breeders who do health testing and research of their lines, but you still never know exactly what you are going to get.  You can generally get a good idea of what you are getting by observing the parents and the litter as they develop, but things can always change.  That being said, I really don't belive in guarantees either other than that the puppy was healthy at the time of sale.  Lifestyles, environments, genetics, nutrition, and training can do alot to influence the physical and mental development of the puppy, and there is no way for anybody to truly "guarantee" what the pup will end up like.  And for small hobby breeders, it may difficult or impractical to offer guarantees that give replacement pups or full refunds due to the small scale of their breeding programs.

"You can breed excellent hips to excellent hips and get an entire litter of dysplastic dogs."

Like a lottery for the worst prize, huh?  Who could be that unlucky, I wonder?  Who ever knows "exactly" what they'll get at anything in life?  With a crap shoot you can sit and hope for the best, but with careful effort you can do better than "wish" for it.  When you have customers with the silly notion of wanting one of your pups only because their birthday is the same as their kids, or the aniversary of the death of their dog, you're sending the wrong message by telling them that random "chance" or an irrelevant coincidence predicts a good match for them.  You can either let destiny shape you, or have a hand in shaping your own.

As far as guarantees go, semantics again.  Perhaps "insurance" is a better word.  Another example of playing the odds in your favor, not necessarily proclaiming some "irrefutable truth".