Missing Testicles or My Dog Has No Nunners......?? - Page 1

First, there is no point in bashing me over my failures, I already know them and I already feel very stupid about all of this.

Today, I am beginning to think that I shouldn't have purchased a GSD and instead, I should have settled with a goldfish, or perhaps an ant-farm and a Chia Pet.

Now, what might be the outside limit when a dogs testicles may finally drop?? My breeder had told me that they had already dropped prior to shipment. A few days after I picked him up at the airport , I took him to my vet for an health examination. My vet told me that his testicles had not dropped. He was almost 9 weeks old at the time.   Time flew by and I ignorantly didn't give his nunners any more thought. I now know that I should have, but there were other things going on in my life and to tell you the truth, that is just not something this guy spends time thinking about...... until today.   He is now 6 1//2 months old, and today...... he has nothing hanging.    I read somewhere that some dogs can take up to 9 months... is that true??? Or, is it just false hope that I want to hang on to? I had planned to never neuter my dog, but now I know that I might have to have it done, just damn! Can I wait until he's 12 months old and more mature, or for the health of the dog should I have it done now?   For a time, I have been thinking that I paid too much for this dog, but I can live with that, however, this ( and a few additional anomalies) has got me VERY upset. I won't name the breeder while I am pi$$ed off, but if all this means I was sold a lemon AND was taken to the cleaners, I will blast this breeders name around the world.   Perhaps it's more difficult to deal with because I have so completely bonded with this dog. I will not let him down, he's with me for life and I will do what I can to keep him happy, but when it comes to this breeder, if I become convinced that I have been sold a bill of goods,  I will give no quarter.     Any and all input would be greatly appreciated.   Sorry about the poor focus of this pic, but here is my dog,   The Dog With No Nunners....

What did your vet say when you brought him in for an exam?  He must have noticed.

Gator - Congrats on  He is a beautiful boy!!  You've bonded with him and enjoy him.  You don't mention if you had plans of breeding/ showing/ etc or not.  With the circumstances you've given here I would not be concerned for him.  He looks very happy in the pic you show.  With the breeder - yes - I would have plenty to say!!!!  As for neutering him - I would wait till he is older.  Let him grow and the bones develope, then if you still want to you can, but I would let the bones develope and his body to mature before neutering.  They may drop but then again they may not....  either way you still have a very nice boy here that is more than willing to do anything you want. 

As for the breeder - have you contacted them to let them know of this?  Was there any guarantees given?  Is there a contract in place? 

Hey Gator, here are a couple of links to previous discussions on the topic. If you search under testicles, you'll find more.

www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/41526.html#41609

www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/36686.html#36720

Gator, it seems to be rare, but some dogs (" late descenders") can take up to a year........ here is another article (with pix) you may find helpful http://www.pet-informed-veterinary-advice-online.com/cryptorchidism.html#testis-age

Hope your boy is just one of those "late" guys - he certainly is handsome.....

Wow gator113 has had some bad luck with the breed and breeder..You should be aware that the malinois also have some of the same problems with the breed and the breeders..Good luck gator113. It always make me wonder why if things go wrong with a pup ,why wont the breeder just replace the pup and let the owner of the defective pup keep their dog if it is feasible for the purchaser to keep two dogs..after proper documentation of the problem and spaying or neutering of the first pup bought. Back to the topic i believe the pup should be allowed to mature before you neuter at least three years.. 

Gator:   Owner a high end gsd is always a mind boggling event in any ones life..First of All, you dare not blame a breeder at 71/2 weeks old if told you his family jewels were down and evident , and then when you got him a week later, you found none showing...At that point, I have seen a male pup have the two nodules very much feelable, and then two weeks later seem to diappear into thin air.   My vet makes a pup exam right before I sell any pup and all males were intact...But one month later a male of that litter had only one showing...Lady accuse me of lying to her...My salvation was she saw pup the day she picked it up, and number two, I had a vets report about all the visuals and the indepth exam on the pups...

LADY  had the copy of the vet exam in her folder, but by the time her vet got thru scaring her to death, she couldnt even find her head from her  go jo....

After she settled down she was more at ease...Eventually the other jewel appeared... MANY  time it does not.   But you cannot nail a breeder at that age of the sale..Now a different story is if you would have bought a 7 -12 month old male and a breeder told you they were down and they were not when you got the dog...that would be a blatant lie...At an older age, I dont know of one disappearing,...

Discuss it with your breeder and if you did not cover  ears, testicles,  genetic diseases and hips and elbows in the contract or the bill of sale, then you are at fault ,not all on the breeder...Hope all comes out fine and the jewels find their way into the jewelry box.

The neutering question is debateable..I do no believe in it and would not...Have had two germans of close friends who had one testicle only, and both dogs lived to be 13 and 12 yrs old with no health problems..

YR

I would personally be very concerned, so not one of his testicles are down? We had a male turned into rescue at 11 months old that we assumed [incorrectly] was neutered, turned out after bloodwork and vet visit he that both testicles never dropped we neutered him and paid a small fortune to get it done! They had to go looking for one of them, little bugger was hiding out I guess.  The vet said he never waits to neuter a dog that has both testicles inside him.  I personally wouldn't wait too long with your boy.  If one was down I'd say give it till a year but with both not dropping I wouldn't wait.
Good luck with your boy!

Amy

As in my other post, this is one of the increasing problems in many bloodlines.  You can have testicles that have not dropped, will drop, will not drop or one may drop.  There is a possibility that the testicles can be surgically "dropped" or massaged down.  Defer to you veterinarian.

I am totally against breeders taking advantage of buyers.  However, it is caveat emptor with these dogs.  You have to remember the well known breeders breed hundreds of pups a year, all cannot be perfect nor will even one out of a litter be a top dog, so they need to breed to get a good dog - to me they are breeding the wrong dogs if it is just a numbers game in order to have one good one. Then add that breeding dogs and selling them is their only means of income, you are going to have disappointments when you buy sight unseen or when you just get into getting one.  Even with all the knowledge and experience in the world and no matter how much you try to mitigate what the pup might be, things can go awry. That goes for any breed. 

Insofar as paying too much for you dog, you probably did.  Most working line pups go for 500 eu and showline pups go for a little more.  If you are buying American bred you are paying substanscially more and with less proven breeding records.  (DNA, ZW, Koerungs earned in Germany, presige of the show/trial)  Things are just better documented in Germany.  It is not bullet proof, but it is a good system.

The only thing you cannot do is Koer your dog.  You can train it, you can love it.  The dog has no idea he has no testicles and does not feel any less deserving of your love and commitment.  One of the top BSP dogs Eric Sportpark has only one testicle. If I owned him, I would not trade him for all the dogs with two testicles!  Testicles do not make the dog!

So love your dog as he probably loves you.  Breeders are not always honest nor are they knowledgeable just because they are breeders.

Wow, you folks are great. I have yet to ask a question where I didn't get tons of information.   I'll try to answer some of the questions and try to make a few things clear.   Yes, I have a one year warranty on the dog, but it doesn't cover gonads... had I only thought. LOL   The warranty might have meant something to me if something horrible had come up during the first couple of weeks, but it's too late now, I am already in love with the guy, so he's NOT going anywhere no matter what. If I find that I need more in a dog, I'll by him a friend and that friend can learn to protect us both.   No, I haven't contacted my breeder about this issue. I wanted to be well informed about the subject before I bothered. Besides, I doubt that any conversation will make much of a difference as I have no intentions of returning my dog, even if she offered me a trade.... but, eventually, she will get an earful with regard to each and every issue.   As for the cost of the dog, that's secondary for me. I may be a sucker and I am not wealthy beyond reason, but I would have been willing to pay more. I have learned many lessons in this experience.... I will shop until I drop for my second dog. I will know more about my next dog and the breeder, than I know about my own family, before I part with a single dollar.    I might have wanted to breed him someday, but that seems to be out of the picture now. He is quite nice looking and if he looks better as he gets more mature, I might have shown him, though that's not a pressing interest to me. I am more interested in protection work. However, the situation is what it is.... I love the little guy and he sure acts like he loves me, so even with his blemishes, him and I will be fine. Heck, if that boy knew all of the health issues I have, he'd jump the fence and head for the mountains.   Thank goodness I have bulletproof health insurance on me, as I spent over $1mil last year having my doctors fix MY issues. My Bride didn't leave me when I started to fall apart (cryptorchidism not included...) so I sure won't leave my dog. LOL    Well folks, I don't feel good about this testicle issue, but you've given me some things to think about.   Thank you all....   Gator