UK Incest Breeding - Page 1

Further to the going off target on the Crufts on BBC link I am trying to gather evidence of the KC registering dogs that have incest breeding.

I have found a couple and I wonder if any people on here know of others, if so could you PM me or you can post them if you wish.  I would like to have a good few to attach to a letter that I am sending to my MP, and to try and use them as evidence to bring in compulsory rules so that these kinds of litters cannot be registered in the future.  I am also going to download the comments from the GSD / KC meeting, plus the two tier system that was proposed as a result of this forum.  Im hoping that if I produce enough evidence it will help to get Breeders recognition for what has and can be done for the benefit of our breed.

I look forward to receiving the emails, and any other useful evidence that I can compile.  I will in due course post back the feedback that I receive.

Incest is a human concept, not an animal one.  I don't see what's wrong with a litter like that every now and then.  It can help to set type...it can also show you the ugly side of your lines or the lines you are using.  It's ridiculous not to register a litter because it's a daughter to father or mother to son breeding.

Now, do I think this breeding should be done OFTEN?  Absolutely NOT.  The amount of inbreeding and linebreeding done in the GSD as a whole is absolutely ridiculous, but it certainly has its place.

If you look into the epilepsy issue within GSDs in the UK and consider the pedigree's involved then you will see why I have such a problem.   I have seen pedigree's with a 1/2 brother mated to a 1/2 sister.   There are quite a few people within the GSDs which see this as acceptable.

Having done a certain amount of studying academically on the effects of too close a gene pool I have been made aware of the various issues related with inbreeding at high levels and none are good for any breed be it bird, dog or other animal.

there is no need for incest breeding within the gsd type is established now line breeding 3-3 is as close as you should need to go

jim h

I agree with you on this Jim 3-3 should be as close as it gets, ever!

There have been some very successful litters that have resulted from mother to son/father to daughter in many breeds; can't say I know much about GSD examples.

There are, IMHO, a lot more things to get worked up about before concentrating on an issue as uncommon as this such as:

compulsory hip scoring, elbow scoring, eye testing, haemo testing, breed surveying, working qualifications etc etc etc

For the future of our breed the whole lot should be worked on together.  Not one at a time, as one often causes another problem.

Langhaar, Perhaps you'd like to forward a complaint to the BBC?  See thread titled, "CRUFTS WITHOUT THE BBC".

The proposal put forward to the KC by the BC refers to health issues!

Why do I want to complain to the BBC about anything, they are a media company they are not the governing body(ies) of dog breeding in the UK.

As there are circa 12k GSD KC registered annually, how many of those are the result of "incest"?

How many of sires/dams have been health checked?

I think you will find that, as in anything, somethings are a priority some come way down the list.

Langhaar, I wasn't talking about incest actually... it's not at the top of my list either.  I thought it was pretty clear... sorry, I was talking about supporting our Breed Council et al in their attempt to get the KC to accept their proposal re: health screening etc!  I think that is high priority!