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by cledford on 04 November 2008 - 02:11
I’ve heard rumors of individuals in states where permitted, obtaining certification to perform detection services as a private individual for schools, homes (parents wondering what’s going in kids bedrooms), businesses, etc. It seem most of these individuals fall under the licensing requirements for other private security and investigation services and frequently have to work under the “umbrella” of one of these firms.
I would assume business licensing, incorporation (or at least LLC), insurance and matters of leasing your dog to your business (so if business sued or bankrupt it cannot be seized) are all areas of concern.
So, anyone doing this? Pseudo scent is legal to purchase online and frankly, having watched some scent detection training, it doesn’t appear too hard.
I live in Virginia and the state is a little anal about it all. Security businesses are strictly regulated and licensing and insurance is EXPENSIVE. There is a ton of mandatory training as well – just to get out of the gate –meaning to deploy a uniformed, unarmed guard – thing escalate in complexity and expense rapidly from there. There are already standards in place for private patrol canine certification and licensing through the Dept. of Criminal Justice Services, Private Security Services section - and the DCJS-PSS has had mandate since 2003 to regulate detector dogs as well – although it appears they haven’t run with the ball at all and have done nothing to regulate or put forth standards.
Some have offered that such as service would be a waste as many LE departments offer such service free to their community schools, cutting out one huge source of revenue. On the other hand, private schools probably don’t get the local LE benefit and in either case (as I’ve read online) civilians aren’t required to arrest and simply report to the requestor of the search – nice for schools, businesses, etc that have the legal right to search without PC but still want to have option to handle infractions “in-house.”
Anyhow, I’m looking at trying to turn the dog training hobby into something more profitable. LE canine is a very closed community and hard to break into not having come from within (K9), even with an LE background – which in my case was so long ago (over 10 years) it doesn’t count either. I’m not into the SAR thing so much as the randomness of the call-outs are not compatible with my “day job” and herding is out of the question :)
by eichenluft on 04 November 2008 - 05:11
Clavin, I did this and would be happy to talk with you about it.
molly
by 1doggie2 on 04 November 2008 - 17:11
by spernagsds on 04 November 2008 - 22:11
I was interested in doing civilian Arson Detection in MI. I was actually told that MI will not permitt civilian teams on crime scenes due to the tampering of evidence. You have to be certified in CSI and Forensics. I am currently headed towards my degree.
by Slamdunc on 04 November 2008 - 23:11
I am in VA, and we only train with actual narcotics. We don't use the Pseudo scent; mainly because we have access to the real drugs and don't want our training challenged in court. Defense Atty's will try to challenge everything. You can get a DEA license and get access to real training aids. Where abouts are you in VA? I would recommend going and speaking to your local K9 guys. Usually, they are impressed with a well trained dog, so do a little demo for them and offer to decoy for them. They are almost always looking for new decoys that the dogs don't know. You are right it is a bit of a "closed community" so have patience and wait them out. There are people doing this, businesses want dogs to run the work place, parents are hiring dogs to run their kids rooms for dope. I would familarize myself with the fourth ammendment, probable cause and search and seizure laws. Just because your dog indicates on the presence of narcotics does not always mean that you can search that area. You open yourself up to alot of liability when invading a persons right to privacy. Before transferring to K9 I was in narcotics so I am very well versed in search and seizure laws. You need to be careful and really need to know what you can and can't do under the law when it comes to searches; and never rely on what someone is telling you is ok to search if your not 100% sure.
Jim
by Steve Leigh on 05 November 2008 - 20:11
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by Gefaehrlich on 05 November 2008 - 22:11
I would imagine this kind of work might be dangerous... especially if you are not a cop! ? ? ? ?
by yellowrose of Texas on 05 November 2008 - 23:11
Why would it be dangerous..Private Investigators do the same kind of work. Hide in bars, follow lots of men ,women and teenagers involved in many criminal acts, but you are hired to do one job..Get the evidence., Yes it can be dangerous...but they dont hire nor give you a license if you don't qualify. If you are smart you use your skills to YOUR advantage., not theirs. You have to have special knowledge, brains, and guts for these kinds of jobs.
I have crawled thru briar bushes, jumped fences, hid in the bottom of vans driven by the head of the PI company I was working for, with the criminals I just stalked and got the evidence on looking in the window. Hours in one position, not moving, not hardly breathing, wet from rain, wind, snow, or any outside threat to your body, but you have a job to do. I didn't have a dog. Just a back up and the determination to nail the liar or the theif. Of course, they could turn into a killer in one swift second.
Many hours of hard work and cops have a different level of work than a drug detection agent or Private Eye.
by Steve Leigh on 05 November 2008 - 23:11
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