I have a dilema..... I need to choose a side - Page 1

I am looking for a working bitch around 2 years old. I have had offers for West German lines, I have a Czech/DDR and doing Sch/PSA. I have never thought of West [HIGH] lines for this type of work. How many would recomend this?

HELP!!!

I had a solid working line, big, gorgeous, male, and the biggest sissy in the world. I now have a west german highline that would protect me in a second, and actually barks at strangers pulling up to the fence. It ALL depends on the dog. If you want a more sure thing, get an adult that already has what you want. Puppies are always a gamble. VS GSDs

High lines are show lines correct...not a good choice for protection in general even tho some can do it. What most kennels mistake when a dog is over aggressive when a stranger approaches is barking, growling, hackle up  etc is usually fear which is more common in show lines not true protection just weaker nerves. I have working lines that do hands on personal protection but they are not nervy and unclear and defensive without reason. I prefer working lines for protection work and I think if you poll breeders in general they do as well. Look up Police kennels for reference they use working llines as well and they need serious dogs for this. I have seen some working lines that wont do protection as posted above this is true but the law of averages are with the working lines for serious work.

Marlene  

i have a west / ddr cross he does not bark or growl at ya ,he just gets ya.slight signal from me and it's all over but the crying our signal is so minute you don't see it comming.i started to train him from two days old and kept right at it . ohhh i love that dog.he's mine all mine.would not trade him for a gizzilyen dollars.we would lay our life down for each other.i would not send him with out me to back him and he would not send me with out him.we have each others back and know it.

My beginning lines were all WEst German but from strong working lines with some show from the old lines. Not a bit of coward , in fact, if Larry and Sandy Filo could work them and sold them to me..no question asked.   Some of which went back to Fri Gugge, all the old hard lines, also. You have to buy from a dog breeder or trainer who knows the lines.  Larry Filo is still doing business in Campbellsport, WI,,,google him or Gene England  if you are looking for a working line.

Marlene just posted from Alabama K9, google her name and give her a call..She has Zidane and probably has another litter coming soon..I know she doesnt have anything right now, not a female that would work.....mmmmmI got the best one already and nothing else is there to compare to her..but if you want all around balance genius of a dog, Zidane produces them..Smarter than their master.....lol  but beware ...hard dogs require hard work and hard obedience and hard descipline..Are you up to it...Did you ever get your boy to   Stay OUT OF THE KITCHEN?     INSIDE JOKE BETWEEN US.....:::!!!!!!

 Many more on our base to give you working line prospects from men or women who do it and know it..

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for me it would depend on probability...your chances of getting a dog that suits your needs is more likely going to come from workinlines...sure there are showlines that can and workinglines that can't, but what are your odds. 

But evaluating a 2 year old you can kinda see whats what right away...if u really wanted to try I'd make a deal where you can return her if she doesn't work out.  JMO

I would not recomend it, but it is very important to evaluate each dog on it own basis, you never know.

Yes Larry Filo has had some very tough dogs. Some out of V rated parents in conformation.  The two that I bought from him were both excellent watch dogs.  The first one was easy going but very tough when a real threat existed.  The second one was an aplha gangster, was impossible to handle without a pronged collar in obediance and went through over $100 of nylabones the first year.  But he was one awesome family protector.  He had one little issue however.  When he was sleeping you could not bump him or he would go off like a rocket for an instant and jump straight up with the fero type teeth chattering (he had fero in his pedigree close up).  He used to sleep on the end of our bed at night.  One night I got up to go to the bathroom and stubbed my toe and fell on him.  He went off with a fero chatter and caught my earlobe before he woke up which was immediately after the nip.  It happened in a flash and he didn't even realize it.  It took me about an hour to stop the bleeding. I was very careful to never bumped him again at night.  He lived to be 10 years old and was a wonderful boy, loved all the neighborhood kids. liked other dogs when on walks, accepted our cats, and allowed rabbits to eat his food in our fenced in back yard when we put him out during the day to eat.  Yep, Larry has bred some very good GSDs.

HAHAHAHAHA.... YRose, That is GREAT that you remember that!!!! Yes, I had to do as I was told and I learned something VERY valuable that day. I have been using harder discipline with him and it seems to be working better. I have also come to find out that allot of the dogs in his line are VERY hard dogs so everything combined has pushed me to be harder with him. I am very ready mentally and emotionally for a hard female, I now realize what I should be doing. I have been working with my trainer again and we are back on track. Ruger is still very young and I would LOVE to make more time for 2.

Renee

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