Q Man- Backyard breeding??? - Page 1

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I am going to rant a little here and may get scortched, but I have a tough skin. Titles are not the end all of proving what a GSD shoud be, breed worthy not breed worthy. I have seen plenty of titled dogs who I would NEVER breed too and a few with out them that I would. Titles can be bought. Would you think twice about this breeding if they had titles? Probably not. What if the people bought the titles? Does that make them breed worthy? They have the titles. Of course it doesn't. And even if the dogs were titled, does that make them breed worthy? Titles = breed worthy? What would you say to a dog with a nice pedigree and is a Dual purpose Patrol dog who doesn't have titles? You wouldn't breed to a dog who on numerous occasions has proven his worth and workability?? Sorry, this one cought me on a bad day.

Melissa

And to top it off, If I didn't have a kennel full of dogs and pockets that never seem to have anything in it, I might be interested in one of these pups. From the ped. it looks like very good potential for a hard working dog. I like those lines. When you look for and train dogs that will work in real situations, ie police K9, detection, etc, Titles don't mean squat.

Oh my god dog dose not have any SCH titles, it will be the end of the world. We all know that all SCH titled dogs are proven producers, and it represents the very best quality in a dog.

Place Dutch boy cut this sh*t out. SCH titles don't mean anything. You don't like the breeding don't buy it. It is not the backyard breeders that are the problem is the good for nothing, brain death buyers, too lazy to do any homework or let alone extensive research on the investment they are about to make, they get screw and than walk around like a hurt puppies. In my opinion if people are stupid enough to buy it they deserve to get f*cked.  You think why I don't buy a dog that I can't see?

BTW I just bought a dog neither parents have SCH or PSA titles, but I seen both of the parents, I seen them both working, and yeah I seen what the sire is producing, and guess what it's better than the last pup I got out of both parents with SCh titles and sire being a national level. So sorry but titles are good for nothing.

You really don't have nothing to do but browse around looking for next drama? Get a life.

Every breeder has an idea for his breeding program, some are in it for the money, some are in it for the love of the breed, and some are in it to just screw people around, it's up to a buyer to figure it out which one is which and support only the one that he thinks benefit the breed as a whole most.

Don't even try to respond now I am not going to enter into a piss match with you.

I agree that titles don't mean everything, but it's a lot better to see them than not. At least you know that the dogs have some training behind them.  I had asked about this very dog some time ago. Got a PM from a guy named Bob here in Michigan. Q man has said on here numerous times in the last 2 yrs that the male would be titled out this year. The dog hasn't even gotten a BH. He's not a K9, Sch titled nor KKL. Seems fishy when you make these claims then don't follow through. Makes it look like the dog just couldn't do the work. So he bred it anyway.

There's a reason that the germans put stipulations on breeding. Dogs from paremnts that are titled and KKL generally aren't the ones in the news bitting the neighbors kid.

I notice it's mostly the people that don't title their dogs that say "titles don't  mean anything". Why is that?

Dutch Boy,

How is the view from up there?  Quite the lofty perch you have there.

I have to agree with much of what melba say's.   And I would add, your attack on the so called backyard breeder is rediculas.    There is so much more to a German Shepherd Dog than Schutzhund.  So much more than a show rating.

Large kennel's and so called top breeder's do not have all the answer's either.

It's like you were bored and had nothing better to do today, so you attack someone over an ad ?   Come on....

Your point is valid I agree, but you don't have the right to bash someone just because you either don't agree or understand their purpose.  

I myself have been on the recieving end of such bashing over breeding an un-worthy animal.   She is worthy to me for what I have in mind and about to have her pup's in a few day's.   It's really in the eye of the beyholder as not everyone subscribe's to the same standard's.    I too believe in standard's, without them we would have mutt's, crossbreed's, and designer dog's.

Your not the breed police, it's not up to you.

The breed will be just fine as long as people can think outside the box, stop breeding the same line's over and over.  Stop basing everything on title's with no concern for the rest of the story, health, temperment, intelligence,loyalty, natural abilities, and maybe we will find all round complete dog's in the gene pool.

Moon's.

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http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/para.utkoma?fadir=431847&modir=446929

Wow great breeding. I LOVE Orry and at $800, what a steal. I'd be willing to take my chances on a pup from this litter.

Well, when I'm busy training the dogs to be police dogs, should I, as an afterthought, go title them too?? Police departments don't give a crap about titles. Can the dog work or not is their, and my, concern. So to me, titles mean nothing. The ultimate working dog is a dog that's K9, herds, SAR, service dog, etc.. I'm sure I left some out. Either the dogs got "it" or it doesn't. A great dog with a title was still the same dog, and same reproductive abilitites, as it was without the title. People title and kkl dogs to breed to sell puppies. They do not keep most pf a litter of dogs to raise specifically for K9. You break even at best. I would call people who buy titled dogs and mass produce puppies puppy mills right along with the dirt dogs from piss poor pedigrees riddled with health problems. They're just upscale puppy mills. Same goal. Profit.

I am not judging the people in the advert. I don't know them, never done business with them. I'm Just talking titled vs. non titled.

Melissa