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by Get A Real Dog on 01 October 2008 - 05:10
I just skimmed though some of the video from the AWMA's. Don't get it. Don't get it at all.
I am not trying to bad mouth any dogs or anyones training.
I don't understand how Eli, Kaden, or Edison scored higher than L'Simba?
L'Simba's OB and control was perfect. The only thing I saw was a bad grip on the escape that was obviously influenced by sleeve presentation.
Edison took 3 commands to return to heel from the bark and hold and even then wasn't in correct position. Master took three commands to out. Isn't that the same thing? Control during bitework. Why does one handler get three commands to do something, yet the other handler takes three commands and gets hammered?
To me there was a big difference in some little things I saw in many of the routines. Namely dogs that were kind of lackadasical in running the blinds, and looking tword the number 6 blind, and some that, to me, seemed to run the blinds much faster, looked into each blind, then moved on to the next. Is that not judged?
Commitment in the entery. Some dogs that hesitated or gathered themselves scored higher than dog who came faster and more commited.
Just a few observations. Again, not knocking anyone's dogs, or training.
I just don't get it?

by jletcher18 on 01 October 2008 - 05:10
come on Gard, surely you know by now that we are talking about "human" interpitation? there is no way that a single judge can catch every little detail. there are some things, such as national events, that would be better off if looked at from multiple sets of eyes and average out. im sure if you talk to some of the people from other sports they can tell you stories that will sound a lot like what you are saying.
sometimes the "overall" picture of the dog and handler together can add some points.
who knows. maybe we need to come up with our own sport.
john
by Get A Real Dog on 01 October 2008 - 05:10
We have our own sport John........
PSA-----The American dog sport

by jletcher18 on 01 October 2008 - 05:10
not too much of that around my area. been in the bay area for work since monday. cant wait to go back home. i dont know how you guys can live around here.
john
by MarioF on 01 October 2008 - 06:10
GARD you need to look at the videos more closely... Simba was far from perfect...Each exercise has a maximum amount of points, just like PSA.
As soon as Simba came in to blind 6 and bothered the helper and touched the sleeve..
Call out very nice but marina steps forward to put the dog in the correct position.
bad grip on the escape (can't blame the helper the same for all the dogs), plus Patrick is fast dogs not use to speed either got outran or get shitty grips. The judge could of instructed the helper how he wanted to have the help do each exercise.
The obvious was after the reattack after the courage test. Marina walking up to the dog to cap the dog and begin the side transport when Simba takes another bite and Marina has to give another out command. That was a point killer. None of the videos you do not hear nor know the Judge Critique. The Critique would tell where he took the points and how he scored each exercise.
If I head to Luc on Sunday for PSA regionals, perhaps we can talk more.
Regards
Mario
by Get A Real Dog on 01 October 2008 - 07:10
I didn't have my volumn turned up so missed the extra commands given. Would love for you to edcuate me a little but won't be at regionals, my two very good friends are getting married.
I guess I am just looking at things from a whole. Don't pretend to know anything about Sch scoring. It just seems to me that the sport somewhat penalizes stronger dogs? What I saw as stronger dogs or a better "picture" overall was scored lower.
Anyway my observation is just from my opinion of the total "picture" of the routine. Not how it is broken down in the rule book. I'm sure it would make more sense if I knew the rules...lol
My biggest question was why someone who needed 3 commands to get their dog under control scored so much higher than another handler who took three commands to get their dog under control. I see recalling and outing as the same thing, control during bitework, but obviously is scored differently.
John, so you were out in my neck of the woods for how long? What are you scared to work my little dog
The bay area sucks. I like to go to SF but can only handle it about a day or so before people really start getting on my nerves.

by jletcher18 on 01 October 2008 - 07:10
leave thur morn. going to oakland and some other areas on wed.
never scared to work a dog! just have to practice what little suit work i have done.
all things are scored different. you have to know your dogs strengths and weakness. where to gain max points and what you are going to lose points for. dont get me wrong, we always train to get the most points we can, but we all know come trail day, our dogs are going to try new things just for s***s and giggles.
not going to try and watch vid on the laptop with a weak internet connection. will get back to you on what i see when i get home.
john

by jletcher18 on 01 October 2008 - 07:10
leave thur morn. going to oakland and some other areas on wed.
never scared to work a dog! just have to practice what little suit work i have done.
all things are scored different. you have to know your dogs strengths and weakness. where to gain max points and what you are going to lose points for. dont get me wrong, we always train to get the most points we can, but we all know come trail day, our dogs are going to try new things just for s***s and giggles.
not going to try and watch vid on the laptop with a weak internet connection. will get back to you on what i see when i get home.
john
by GregN on 01 October 2008 - 08:10
after looking at the vids...I agree that there was some inconsistant scoring going on.

by steve1 on 01 October 2008 - 08:10
Get a real Dog
If the Dog had not obeyed the third command he would have been disqualified, so he should lose points every time he fails in every command given to him,
For not outing or releasing the sleeve, or sitting, or if he is given help by the handler each time it is normally three points lost each time
Where may i view this video it sounds very interesting
Steve
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