Herding VS Schutzhund - Page 1

Question:

In the opinion of those who know more on this subject than I....

When breeding "titled" dogs, would you accept a Herding Title with no Schutzhund Title?

Which do you think more of?

Just curious.....

Yes

Jennifer

yes also.  which i think more of depends on the goals i have for a given breeding/litter.

Interesting question.  I certainly would.  A HGH title is a title; just a herding title instead of Schutzhund.  It totally depends on what type of dog someone is looking for.  If you're looking for a hard dog with strong drive for Schutzhund work, you won't care about a HGH title.   If you know what an HGH title is and what it involves, you're likely to appreciate it.  I'd still be just as interested in the lineage, hip ratings, temperament, etc. in dogs that have Schutzhund titles or HGH titles.

Karen Priest wrote an interesting article on the HGH, found at her website,http://www.traumhofgsd.com/index.html.  In it, Karl Fuller of the Kirschental Kennel is quoted as saying that some people have problems having their dogs heel and they'll have a Sch title on them.  An HGH title is very detailed and you and your dog either know what you're doing or you don't.   I don't think it has hurt the Fuller's in their program to place such a strong emphasis on herding titles.  While they still end up getting their dogs titled in Schutzhund, I think it's because they've had to become a little more mainstream because the emphasis on herding is becoming so rare.  That's why their lines have also changed to include more showlines rather than the almost exclusive herding lines they used in times past.

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I would agree it has very much to do with what your looking for in a GSD.

Remember why the breed was developed in the first place and the attribute's a true herding dog carrie's.

I do believe a GSD should be capable of doing more than merely a trained routine, and herding definately involves individual decision making on the part of the dog, extreme stamina, and courage as well.

The time's have changed indeed, and much has been lost in time.

I am one who would choose a herding title, but hopefully a well rounded dog who can do it all and still be healthy and have the conformation of the standard.

At this point in time, I'd value a HGH higher than a Sch title.

If you mean a true HGH, not what is more commenly seen in the US, then the HGH is as meaningful for breed worthiness.  The HGH is perhaps more so now days.....

 As Tina said, if you are talking about a HGH, the German herding title,  It could be considered the same as any other recognized WORKING title, such as Sch, WPO, DPO, etc.   If you are talking about AKC herding titles, thogh, NO.   I would not consider it any more than I would consider a CD, or an FH a breeding title.

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HGH herding (not the AKC style) YES as a breeding test (and it is also according to SV) - service dog - yes, something they are bred for, and something they can do very well, but NO not a test of breedworthiness, at least not in itself.

molly