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by lancegfx on 12 September 2008 - 16:09
Hello all,
First of I need to say I'm from Madagascar and neither my english nor german is very good 
.I speak better french but most of people here speak english so I will try to do so.Don't hesitate to correct me if something isn't ok but don't be too tough please 
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So, my question is very simple (stupid?).There was dogs in the so called "show line" which was very significant like Jeck Noricum, Uran Wildtseigerland, Zamb Wienerau, Palme Wildsteigerland, Ursus Batu (hmm I've liked him) etc. and I want to know if there was 'equivalent ' in these called "working line"? I know there was Fero Zeuterner Himelreich and Mink but is there others and how they was significant for the breed? Thanks.
by Kinolog on 12 September 2008 - 17:09
First, I'd like to compliment your English. It's probably better than you think, and the most important thing is that I can understan you. (English is not my dominant language either.)
Second, that is an interesting question and I think it should generate a lot of talk. I can tell you from my own experience that some of the better known working lines claim a fairly direct descendence to Klodo v. Boxberg. If you check out databases that specialize in working shephreds, you will notice many East German/Czech dogs, which have been heavily favored by police and military, and you will also see a lot of names in the Slavic languages. There are a few that will be repeated as often as those from Yasko, Ursus, etc.
by snajper69 on 12 September 2008 - 20:09
bump good question I would love to see more experience people imput.
So BUMP
by jletcher18 on 12 September 2008 - 22:09
Greif zum Lahntal, and Don vom Rolandsteich are the first couple that come to mind.
we are starting to see more dogs being heavily favored in working lines, but they have not been around long enough or used as much to be called bloodlines. yoschi, troll and timmy, troll milinda, aly, asko, etc.
john
by Vikram on 13 September 2008 - 05:09
Please go through this article it gives a fair run down on the top working dogs of 80-90 regards
by Vikram on 13 September 2008 - 06:09
by Gustav on 13 September 2008 - 13:09
Vikram,I question some of that info or I am not understanding some of it. Anyway, other than Datsy, many of these dogs were not heavily bred on with an effect of being predominant today. I'm missing something.
by Vikram on 13 September 2008 - 13:09
Gustav,
The auithor is an SV judge so it's not my personal opinion. I feel a little afraid to opine since a lot of bashing happens on screen and off screen if you know what I mean. However the information is for everyone to give their opinion. I myself have opinions on certain dogs. But the author goes on to say that ALL these dogs are the pillars of the modern day working.
This is a huge list iof you see the article in the URL of my second last post. Its by no means a humble soul like me to comment on sucha large list.
regards
by Gustav on 13 September 2008 - 15:09
I don't bash people Vikram, I have discourse with people in respectful ways. So it is a SV judge's opinion. That gives more credibility to the info that I understood "if " this opinion was the result of his observations. Not saying all you posted I disagree with, just some of the info I did not understand and other info was fairly subjective.
by Vikram on 13 September 2008 - 16:09
i did not imply that you bash but just general observation. this is a vert good piece of information
regards
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| Dog | Pluses | Deficiencies |
Quantity the descendants participated in BSP |
| Aik of vom Haus Cindy (HDZW 91) | Good balance between outputs and by the aggression | 4 | |
| Andy von der Bildsäule (HDZW 99) (HDZW 99) | It gave many outstanding special duty dogs | Low level of the mining instinct | 7 |
| Arec vom Bunsenkocher (HDZW 89) | Completely inconceivable speed on the frontal and other high-speed exercises | Deficiency in the natural aggression | 8 |
| Arek vom Stoffelblick (HDZW 98) | Class grasps, a good level of the aggression | Controllability | 7 |
| Brix vom Kapfwald (HDZW 103) | Stably medium height , good controllability transfers to descendants | 7 | |
| Cäsar vom Königsrain (HDZW 95) | Outstanding dog on the whole and whole, that transmitted its qualities by the inheritance | To the regret, only boughs! The straight dog- continuers of line it did not remain | 5 |
| Cliff vom Hühnegrab (HDZW 98) | splendid working qualities | Poor combinability with some lines | 4 |
| Cliff von der Möhnequelle (HDZW 99) | Remarkable, beautiful dog, very many-sided | Its qualities it transmitted only to the boughs | 4 |
| Dasty vom Gries (HDZW 75) | Desire to work on the obedience, the backbone and the pigment, low | Deficiencies as the grasps, mill take in sometimes it is nonstandard | 3 |