Yasko lines Health problems? - Page 1

Just wondering if anyone out there has experienced, or heard of, health problems stemming from Yasko Von Farbenspiel lines?  Before you all start, I know this dog has been used extensively at stud & that there are thousands of healthy pups by him out there. 

I have a bitch puppy great granddaugher of Yasko that showed real fearfulness of all situations from a small pup & was extremely aggressive (We have perservered & overcome this).  She started showing signs of neurological problems early on - head nodding, fainting & had a seizure during her first season.  Because of this she has been on phenobarbital ever since.  She was later diagnosed with a severe food allergy (which may possibly be causing the neuro problems).  She is allergic to just about everything she eats including grass & can only be fed Purina DRM.  Even this causes a low grade allergy & at times she tries to rip her dew claws off.  despite this she manages to keep a fairly cheerful outlook, but it is a battle for us to keep her healthy. 

I have heard anecdotal evidence of health & behaviour problems in a few other descendants including neuro problems, severe food allergies, fearfulness, etc.  I also note on this messageboard the 'mysterious' death of a grandson 'Astana Alfons' & also today I have read in the UK dog papers about another Grandson 'Zasko Von Santamar' having been identified as a carrier of JRD.  Could this all just be a coincidence?

I ask this question as a genuine & concerned lover of this breed & I would appreciate sensible opinions on this please. 

hello there,

 i have a yasko son. he will be 8 years next month.

this dog has been to the vet only as a baby for puppy shots, and every 3 years for rabies.

hips are ofa'd Good. and has an incredible temperment 

what is your dogs dam's pedigree???

Yeah there's a lot more genetic's there beside's just great grandpa.

It would be curious to see your dog's pedigree.    Coincidence I couldn't say but there's a lot of a very few line's out there.

But these breeder's know what they're doing. 

I remain dubious.

We have a male who has Yasko on both sire/dam's sides. At first we thought he had possible thyroid related issues but it turned out he was just a greedy little bastard when it came to food and drink. (As a puppy he would drink so much, every time he was set on the floor he would pee.) But his health continues to be fine.

I come from a research background and it is extremely difficult proving causation though you might find strong correlation. I agree about checking the dam's line and then reassessing how other dog's might have affected the genetic expression of your own.

The bane of research has long been separating signal from noise.

There are 14 dogs in a 3 generation ped.  You have 13 other candidates within the 3rd, to blame for your dog's make up.  If your dog is double bred "Yasko", perhaps "Yasko" could be held more accountable in regards to your dog's problems.

I have a 5yr old son of "Yasko".  He inhales anything put in front of him. No matter what it is, or the quanity, he devours it. He also eats fish he catches and rabbits he kills, if I can't get it away fast enough.  For a big dog, his speed in incredible.  I have seen him run down a Jack on the straight, and barely lose him on the cut.  This male has been in combat with different types of prey, and until 3 months ago swam and ran all day and every day of his life. This son of Yasko is one of the most durable and strongest dogs I have ever seen.  No health problems here.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/426172.html

Hi Lily

Zasko is a Yasko son, I have a Zasko son diagnosed with Atopy The underlying symptoms of this skin allergy are the result of an inherited disorder of the dog’s immune system.; Yasko linebreeding

4 - 3,4........................................... in V3 Cello von der Römerau    Quana son (Palme progeny)
 

5,5 - 5........................................... in V Häsel von Tannenmeise

5 - 5,5........................................... in VA1 Uran vom Wildsteiger Land Palme progeny

5,5 - 5........................................... in VA1 Quando von Arminius  Palme progeny
 

5 - 4,5........................................... in VA2 Natz vom Hasenborn
 

5 - 4,5........................................... in V Quana von Arminius   Palme progeny
 

4,4 - 4........................................... in VA6 Odin von Tannenmeise  Quando son (Palme progeny)
 

"There was a marked association between the atopic status of the parent and that of the offspring, particularly for sires. Atopic dermatitis has a strong genetic component, and breeding of dogs with clinical signs of atopic dermatitis should be discouraged. ( Am J Vet Res 2004; 65:1014–1020)"

Atopic diseases are complex and subject to the influences of multiple genes. Both parents have to carry the genes for an individual to become susceptible, approx 75% of dogs with Atopy are female, and it does not always show as a skin disease there are other forms.

Pam

It takes two to tango and I would not blame sires for all problems seen, what about the Dams  line?

Some are great on paper but when mated can  produce  problems.

That infortunately is the chance one takes when breeding.

From what owners are saying it sounds more  like the individual animals Immune system is breaking down.

It is  totally out of order to blame a dog for scientifically it has not been proven where it comes from in the line.

The Immune system is extremely complicated and is  down to the idividual dog, how it was  raised after it left the breeder etc.

Superdog.

Thanks for your input, all seems fine then.  Glad to know of the really healthy dogs out there.  Abhay your dog seems to have a great life, I could just imagine him living life to the full as I read your posting.  Thanks for putting my mind at rest, I will just attribute my dogs problems to bad luck.

Pam, IMO breeders do not take allergies seriously enough so they continue to use effected dogs and dogs that have been known to produce dogs with allergies. You are so right, it's not just a dog that scratches a lot and it is not only skin deep. It's a signalment of a crippled immune system and does often express itself in other ways. Chronic infections, thyroid disfunction, lymphatic cancers,  systemic and discoid lupus, maybe DM, and many other serious life-threatening diseases. An allergic dog should never be used for breeding and any mating that produces an allergic dog should never be repeated. Been there done that with an immune cripple and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

I often wonder how your dog is doing, Lily Dexter.

Abhay, Your dog sounds like the type of dog healthwise, structurewise, and temperamentwise that is what the breed should be. If my rantings have any merit and he is showline ....then he should be more linebred on Mutz v Pelztierfarm than Canto/Quanto. Either way I would be proud to own a dog like you described.