Chicken By-Product Meal vs Chicken Meal vs Chicken - Page 1

I believe that Chicken by-product meal is quite close to in nutritional value, in terms to digestable and complete animal  protein, to chicken meal.

I think the reason to the contrary is not logical.

So some feather is included, so what. Why aren't immature eggs and feet very good sources. I think it may be better sources than chicken meal or chicken, more varied. egg has DHA.

If a food has little to no corn and no soy, and high total protein, then nearly all of the protein is from the chicken-by-product meal. Rice has little protein. There is a process of illumination. A matter of mass balance.  For example, if the food has only chicken-by-product meal, rice, and chicken fat and minerals and vitamins and some minute amounts of supplements, and it has 27% total protein, then nearly all the protein is from the chicken-by-product meal, and the food is high in good animal protein.

Soy and corn are high crude protein grains. Rice is not.  If a food does not have corn or soy, where is the protein (just nitrogen) coming from.

This is not a raw-food vs commercial food discussion. It is intended as chicken-by-product meal vs chicken meal vs chicken disscusion among those who accept commercial dog food.

Thank you

 

 

 

I know lots of people who use chicken by product. They come minced and look pretty good, very close to the chicken meat minced.

On the right quantity its a good food. many mix with rice - equal volume and feed.

I feed kibble with chicken and turkey protein, Innova EVO. It is grain-free. I would not consider feeding a dog food with "chicken byproducts" as these are the discarded leftovers from the carcass that no one else but a commercial dog food company would be lining up to buy. I think fresh bones and organs are great, but feathers and feet are not going to make my top 10 list of favorite ingredients. 27% is not what I would call 'high protein'. EVO is 42%, EVO RF is 52% protein. Rice is less likely to cause allergic reactions than corn, but it's not part of the natural canine diet. You'll never spot a wolf pack grazing in the rice paddies. There is much more to the topic of nutrition then what I can spray on this post. A little digging on the Internet should hopefully turn up some more data. Yvette

Some grains are a part of the natural canine diet. They come from the gut contents of preys.

"I would not consider feeding a dog food with "chicken byproducts" as these are the discarded leftovers from the carcass that no one else but a commercial dog food company would be lining up to buy."

This is a statement of attutude, not reason.

Feathers weigh little and few of them are allowed. Feet are not a large percentage of the by-product, and a portion of feet are digestable animal protein. May be feet is overall very good, even more so then skeleton meat. By-product may even have greater concentration of glucosomine and chondrontin than skeleton meat, I think so.

Even if  "crude protein" is based only on nitrogen content (I actually think so),  the percentage of nitrogen in digestible protein has to be very high in percentage with either chicken or chicken by-product meal.

I'd certainly agree that "chicken" does contain beaks and other nitrogen-containing indijestable protein so a greater percent (nearly 100%) is digestable. I think chicken-by-product meal is not far behind. Would 27% chicken by-product not have the same protein value as 24 percent "chicken"? I tend to think so, or some similar numbers.

By-product actually resembles the "whole animal" more than skeleton meat, I tend to think.

Why do you need protein greater than 27-30% (animal source) ? It will just be excreted. Even the most active growing dog or nursing bitch with large litter won't need greater than 30% digestable animal protein. IMO.

 

 

Chicken Meal is what is swept up off the floor of the butchering room and chicken by products are the nasty remains of what ever they dont want to serve for fda approval including diseased parts...

We have board members here on this site, who have worked at commercial dog food producers and for commercial meat producers and butcheries...so dont tell us , its an attitude...you need to read further...we dont buy that excuse..

A bag of commercial dog food is like feeding a dog like you get your child a : "GRAB BAG" AT THE COUNTY FAIR...

Read the ratings on dog foods.....

MEAL , and by products have no nutritional value.

CORN IS FOR HOGS,  NOT FOR DOGS.

 

Come on folks, its easy to find out what definitions of terms (in this case ingredients) are in actuality.

"You also want to make sure it says chicken meal and not chicken as the primary ingredient. If it says chicken only, this means that the manufacturers are counting the entire chicken toward protein value. This includes beaks, feathers, and feet. With chicken meal, they are only counting the cooked down version of the protein. This will ensure that your dog is getting the appropriate kind of protein and not byproducts. Vitamins and fatty acids are also good ingredients in dog foods. Some examples include Vitamin E, Omega 3 and 6, etc. These are very important for a healthy looking skin and coat. Make sure the dog food is not laden with preservatives. Some of the ingredients that you don't want to see on your dog food label include: Inferior protein which consists of but not limited to variations of the following: Wheat, Corn, Chicken by-products, Soy, Gluten. These ingredients are hard to digest and can cause health problems later on if used for a long period of time. Sugar is another ingredient that you want to stay away from."
 

If you want to feed your dog ground feathers, chicken feet and beeks, knock yourself out.  But don't attempt to justify it and expect us to swallow your logic and follow suit.  It was not all that long ago that we ALL fed our dogs Alpo, gravy train and Chuck Wagon  with daily table scraps thrown in.  With time should come wisdom.  With all of the sources of information literally at our finger tips, there is no need and or reason to be ignorant.

Kyle

 

Kyle is correct.  From what I know, by-product meal is the processed chicken by-products - this could contain some meat, but is mainly guts, skin, feet, beaks, heads, etc - the stuff left over from the chicken meat being processed.  No, I would not consider a food with chicken by-product meal to be a quality dog food (probably why it is cheaper).  Chicken (not meal) is as Kyle says, an advertising trick that Purina is famous for - listing chicken as the first ingredient sounds good, but in reality the body is 80% water, and a good part "byproduct" before you get to the meat.  Chicken meal is the processed chicken - therefore this is what you should look for, it is the meat processed down.  Quality dog foods will list meat meal as the first ingredient.

 

molly

"You'll never spot a wolf pack grazing in the rice paddies"

You don't see them standing around munching on Potatoes either.      Yet most grain free kbbles have potato and/or sweet potato in them. (Some have  more than others).

I don't understand why people can't do a bit of research and see what is in there dogs food.

When I see people talk about how good RC, Nutro, Pro plan ect are, I just don't get it. If they new of the poor quality ingrediants, I would like to think they want better for their dogs.

 

Can someone explain why when wolves & coyotes eat, the first thing they do is usually gut the stomach or eat the loins around the anus?..

If theres corn, grass, or plant digest in the stomach, thats eaten as well.

News for those that think dogs are humans....they are Scavengers, Carnivores & sometimes omnivores...

Im becoming cynical with those that utter the 'my dogs must only have holisitic free range chicken breasts with never any of the 'meal'

I think some of the 'parts' by products contain trace minerals..calcium, phospherous, nitrogen.

Thats said, I feed Royal Canin as it works best for mine. Ive tried them all. Literally.... Hund N Flocken, Innova-Evo, Buffalo, Euk, etc.   The only thing Ive yet to try is Candidae. Royal to date works best. The others result in a blown coat within a few weeks.

I like RAW fine but its too time consuming.  I do supplement with scraps, around the kibble.