It’s your fault! - Page 1

 

Quote from another thread:  …we have to earn a BH under an SV Judge in order to get the Korung later. Without the BH and later the Korung, one should not breed their dog.  Regardless of which organization a club belongs to, IMO that one SV rule is the most damaging to the sport in this country!

The only thing damaging about this rule is that you continue to be the SV’s stepchildren! Why do you put up with this crap from them? But I guess you don’t put up with it from them; you seek the abuse out. Don’t cry about your abuse when you continue to lick the boots of your abuser.

Why not have your own breed tests with your own rules? As long as you continue to follow the SV you will NEVER be better than them. You will always be crawling under the table picking up scraps that fall from your master’s plate. Grow a pair, bite the bastard and eat all the food!

The best thing about the USCA is their judging program. IMO, they are producing the best judges in the world. Why can’t you trust their opinions? They are just as qualified as the Germans. Do you think that a German accent makes them more knowledgeable?  

 

First of all, Chrisropher, the poster was incorrect. There IS no such rule. It is a position and statement made often by the show folks, because to them it IS a rule: they are sending bitches to Germany to be bred and thus need the SV imprimatur. Or, they want to show in the German SS, so they need the SV koermsiters and Judges so the dog can get a V. The B and one sch title should be under an SV judge to koer IF one is going the SV route. The rest of us can get the B and titles under USA or DVG judges and koer under Grewe and McIntyre.

We trialed a female:

• under Mark P for her BH (USA)
• under SV judge for AD
• under Carla G for her SCH1 (USA)
• show rating and koer under SV judge at the SE Regionals.  No issue.
• under SV judge for SCH2. No issue.

 

What is the requirement?  For dogs that will be shown/trialed in Germany; is it a requirement to have a BH and AD under a SV judge?  If so, that is very few dogs that would fall under that requirement.

We trialed a female:

• under Mark P for her BH (USA)
• under SV judge for AD
• under Carla G for her SCH1 (USA)
• show rating and koer under SV judge at the SE Regionals.  No issue.
• under SV judge for SCH2. No issue.

 

What is the requirement?  For dogs that will be shown/trialed in Germany; is it a requirement to have a BH and AD under a SV judge?  If so, that is very few dogs that would fall under that requirement.

Christopher, I agree that USA has some very good judges. I have trialed under USA judges and SV Judges. I must say the SV Judges from Europe have been excellent. All of those that I have met have competed in the BSP, were very knowledgeable and helpful. They often conducted seminars after the trial and were happy to help anyone with training questions. There are some excellent American judges, but I have always enjoyed trialing under SV Judges. I would go out of my way to trial my current dog under an SV judge. I don't think "there accent makes them more knowledgeable", just their years in the sport and experience makes them very knowledgeable. Jim

Mr. Smith and I have gone at it on other boards before but he is dead on this one.

I have been preaching about the SV's bastardizasion of your poor breed for a long time.

Breeding the shitters who get a SCH 1 in a midnight trial or better yet the one's who have a "box" title (the dog never came out of the box) but you can't do a 2-2 inbreed on an outstanding dog?

That makes sense. They are worse than the AKC

The Capt says ye shall get a Sch title.......

Can I get an AMEN

The almighty SV states you shall not commit incest with your dogs, or you shall be damned

Can I get an AMEN

We are the chosen ones with beautiful dogs

CAn I get an AMEN

Brothers and sister we shall never corrupt our beloved breed and doctorine by leting our dogs lie down with the Malinios devil

CAn I get an AMEN

Hey Gard, that is funny.  Actually, I heard that Helmut Raiser was recommending breeding GSD's to Mals to bring back the working ability.  Good luck with your new pup, by the way.

Jim

Yeah, and from what I understand he was cast out of the fold like a pregnant Mormon hooker (I can say that cuz I'm baptized Mormon)

Brothers and sisters bow your head and pray with me for our lost brother,

Our dear heavenly SV. We come together today and ask you to guide our lost brother Raiser. SV we ask thee to guide brother Raiser through his time of temptation. We ask thee to watch over and deliver him from the evil Malinios. Be patient during this time of weakness and temptation from the outside dog world. Please understand and forgive of our kind brother. He has been a loyal and faithful servant to our kind heavenly SV. His power and success with our breed and in the sport world shows his dedication and love for you.

SV we also ask that you protect and save us from the temptation that is the Malinios. Please understand the weak may be tempted watching the devil's dog succeed. Only through your love and guidance will we stay pure. Only through your love and kindness will our beloved breed fight through these trying times and rise again to claim his kingdom from the Malinios.

Finally SV we ask that you help the lost souls who have succomed to the temptation of success. Those who have followed the ways of the Malinios and the Dutch Shepherd. These are those who have not yet seen your loving light. Those who have a need for instant gratification. Those who wish to take the easy way instead of going through the trials and tribulations that only those of us who truley love and worship you do.

We ask these things in the name of  Max vom Stephanitz

Amen

 

Ski the rule does not say you can not get a koer with non Sv judges just says it will not be recognized by the SV .

I agree with Chris. It's about time we stood on our own two feet and stopped bowing and scraping. Also lets establish our own titles that puts back in some of the better elements that were taken out in deference to the European Green Party and Animal Rights movement.

GARD. Just love it. All I can say is AMEN AMEN AMEN!

So GARD, when are you coming back to the GSD breed?  I know of some that make malinois people jealous, hard, high drive working dogs.  I have one, he's a beauty and going to be my K9 partner next week.  I don't want everyone to know that there are still GSD's that work, so let's keep it a secret.  Every malinois person I know likes to say my dog is part mally, but he's all GSD.  I just decoyed for a swat / K9 school and must say I am impressed by the malinois.  I am going to stick with my breed for the time being, I have always loved GSD's and can't give up yet.  There is still hope. 

Plus in 15 years the AKC people will have all mals running around the show ring and they'll be bigger couch potatoes than the American line GSD's. 

Here's a link to "boomer's" pedigree, I need to update the pictures:  http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/picturegallery/6228.html

Jim