Handler Aggression? - Page 1

It is my understanding that dogs that are handler aggressive are dogs who possess nerves issues, am I wrong or right?

I've been under the impression that nerves are something that is produced through bloodlines, am I wrong or right?

When I noticed this on a breeders site this morning....... I was a bit set back because it seems they are proud of the fact that their dog has a nerve problem?

Quoted from the website - "Kobe is a large black and tan male with a correct balance of drive and aggression. Kobe is nothing to take lightly or play with from a handlers perspective. He has and will go on the handler."

I have asked around to several people, apparently the father of this dog is a bit unsteady himself, very "dirty dog", is that what you'd consider poor training or poor nerves?

Yes, some "hoo-rah" morons think that is cool. I think most of the handlers who say things like that probably did something to DESERVE being bitten:)

The vast majority of dogs said to be handler-aggressive, are not.
IMO, it is probably not a nerve issue in the few that are. More is social-aggression and not necessarily bad, depending on who has the dog and what their goals are.

Mary

....as to a "dirty dog." I had one of those:) :)

Definitely not a nervy dog. He just REALLY wanted the decoy to move so he could bite:)

Mary

If a dog is so aggressive as to bite it's handler is that what you mean by handler aggression?

Or just hard headed?

I'd have no use for a dog who bit without a command.   Too much for this ole farm boy.

Koby bite moon, moon bite back..LOL

 Handler aggression does not mean nervy or that there are nerve issues.  It may be a very dominant dog that has learned to get its way, or survive, by fighting the handler.  I had a bitch who was handler agressive because we never, ever got the rank issue clear:  she thought she was alpha  bitch and I was operating under the delusion that I was, just 'cuz I paid all the bills.  She was just this side of nervy, though.

I have a male who is anything BUT nervy.  He is a very dominant dog and has come up the leash at everyone else who has tried to handle him.  But,  he NEVER even thought of coming at me, no matter what "provocation" I might have given him.   He never wanted to be alpha bitch, so he never cared that I was.

Yes it is a nerve issue and genetic but people will swear it is how they are rasied...if a dog comes on a handler for hard corrections it is nerves as the dog cant take the correction...some will tout it is a hard dog when actually it is a weaker dog...we can give a hard correction to Zidane and he would never come back on his handler but his nerves are strong and head is clear...if we were unfair with him body slam or kicking him that would be different but the E=collar and prone he can take as much as we can give when we worked him without a incident..nerves are the number one problem with the shepherds today and I preach it constantly...a strong and confidant dog has no issues and that comes from a good solid nerve base...now if you come here as a stranger and give him a correction of course he would eat you that is different...a lot of people mistake nervy dogs for hard dogs but most experienced handlers know the difference. Mary is right a lot of dogs want that helper to move to have some fun nothing to do with nerves that is what we like to see in a good dog. What website did you see that on just curious? I had a friend who bought a Crok son  Sch3 and he came  here licking him and as sweet as could be and then snaped one day no reason just went in to a full attack. and I mean vicous going for the throat attack .and it was obvious this was why he was sold was not really what I would call a hard  dog just crazy with a nerve issue.

Marlene

I am just wondering, what do you do with a dog like Crok son after that?

dispose of it.

I knew a GSD once who would just go OFF!!  for no reason at all.     We alway's considered him damaged, insane..lol

You never knew who or when.    His owner as I understood it used very unsound traing method's to make this dog this way.

But I think the dog was born with a hair trigger personally.

JMO.

Show , working and even pet dogs should not bite anything other than the sleeve if they have been trained for manwork and making excuses for anything other than that is just a load of crap.