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by RAVENHAWK on 02 September 2008 - 13:09
Hello Everyone,
There have been so many heated topics here as of late. Although I am new to posting am not new to this board. I can't recall a time in the recent past when things were so heated. Wonder if being a Presidential election year in U.S.A. has anything to do with it. Anyway it would seem I lost face by participating in a ridiculous post. I, indeed started it, an honest, earnest question, yet I also perpetuated the situation by posting several times early on. After recieving sage advice from someone I have utmost respect for I stopped. I wanted to count myself in. I realize I have the freedom to read what I choose and leave the rest behind.The fact is this a G.S.D. forum and I am passionate about the breed. I am also passionate about politics and the war as well as history, so for me, it is difficult not to read all these threads.Stand on Muslims in particular in my opinion is nothing more than racist bigoted hateful propaganda..The poster speaks of radical muslims, fundamentelists,well, Two Moons aptly put it any of these groups are dangerous.In this post Sen. Barack Obama is slammed and character assasinated for being a Muslim. I beieive the parties doing so on thid thread and several others are actually Christians.I find it quite hypocritical as it is my understanding...Love thy neighbor, Do unto others,Judge not,lest ye be judged and what happened to we are all Gods children.?? I speak first hand when I say fundamentalist christian groups are DANGEROUS. I am a Witch (yes,a recognized religion that pre-dates christianity) Well back in 1976 a group of Christians were visiting Salem,Ma. in Oct., for what I call rent a Witch monthLOL. They expresssed they would like to save me, I inquired from what? The Devil. As there is no devil inmy religions deity structure, I po;itely declined "saving and promptly crossed the street. Within moments I was being pelted with stones!!! Someone phoned the police and I pressed charges, it was then written into law....the hate crime law within the fine city of Salem. This particular group was asked to leave and banned for the next several years. When and if they did return they needed to respect the law. Of course freedom of speech, freedom to assemble, but not freedom to stone someone, yet alone a 16 year old girl. any way there are so many two faced people here,saying The Senator is not an American, being only second generation American on my dad'side(my grampy came from Ireland when he was 12) I am reminded of New York City at the turn of the century when so many Italiens, Jews, Irish and others had just arrived mainly through Fire Island. So poor,many starving in fact.Those folks are our(many of us board members) ancestors. The Sen. is every much an American as I am.Who cares where his name comes from,I suspect a biggot might.(this was in another thread)My given name is Irish, would the person who wasted space sharing the meaning and origin of Obama like to pm me so they can look up my name? HATE isa four letter word that we teach in our homes.In my home the words fat ,stupid,dumb,faggot, are all cuss words. one can ask my ten year old daughter how to choose a friend... her response would be to look at their spirit,their heart, and character. For that my husband and I are proud. I had stated in an earlier thread I was proud to be an American. I wish to retract.I am gratefull to live in America yet I have shame shame. When I think of the war we are in, for what?. Yes I think Sadamm needed to be extinguished,yet is Pres. Bush finishing something his father before him started. Speaking of George H., he was the on e, along with Russia, who provided arms and training to the very sort of individuals who on 9-11 hijacked planes and wreaked havoc on us.Personally George H. is a very decent man, I had the pleasure of meeting him several years ago.As for his son, every time he opens his mouth I

by RAVENHAWK on 02 September 2008 - 14:09
Gotta run to Doctor appt. will finish post later. Didn't realize I lost half of it..lol gonna try to retrieve.

by Ida Bithim on 02 September 2008 - 14:09
Here we go again....will be back this evening with a comfy chair and some popcorn to view the predictable bashing of this thread. LOL
Jasmine
by Uglydog on 02 September 2008 - 15:09
A Nice post & youre very observant
40,000 Persian Jews live in Iran today, in Peace, By choice..with 250,000 Christians
20,000,000 Christians live in Peace in the Middle East with Muslims today. And have for 1400+ years..
The Media promotes hate for their purposes of war. Right now muslims are the target. Later it will be the Russians. Before it was the Gooks & Nips in Vietnam and before that-the Krauts & Japs. Its all silliness.
Granted both political parties are sell outs and nothing will change fundamentally until they are all thrown out but hatred is hatred & I also take issue with it.
All People need to come together and work for peace and for justice.

by JustLurkin on 02 September 2008 - 17:09
by Uglydog on 02 September 2008 - 15:09
Before it was the Gooks & Nips in Vietnam and before that-the Krauts & Japs.
Gooks and Nips? Krauts and Japs?
With those types of bigoted slurs there won't be any peace and justice.
by Bob McKown on 02 September 2008 - 17:09
This from a guy who is so antisemetic he can,t even go down the Isle at a supermarket where they have kosher pickles. you can,t spout the garbage you preach and whine that every one should work for peace until you deal with your anti semetic ideals.

by RAVENHAWK on 02 September 2008 - 17:09
As I was saying every time the president opens his mouth I cringe.On the back of my svu a bumper sticker reads..my gsd is smarter than our president. Fact became clear to some in the 1920s when certain folklorists set about in earnest to collect Afro-American traditions.The collections of those traditions bear the unmistakable marks of mutilation,suppression, and attemted obliteration.In recent years the attempt to recover America's black past has been renewed with an urgency born of desperation, for it has only been through riots,bombings,and murders that we have come to see that an understanding of the past is vital to a sense of the present.This attempted destruction of the African and Indianpasts can also be understood as a consequence of our physical subjugation of these peoples;the victors write the histories;thevanquished are rendered historyless.The long-silenced voices of blacks and Indians have risen to challenge the words of the textbooks.The advancing whites compelled the Indians to move from strong assertions of his natural rights to appeals to what he could only hope was COMMON HUMANITY.The nation's hoop is broken and scattered.There is no center any longer,and the sacred tree is dead. Black Elk
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by Uglydog on 02 September 2008 - 17:09
JustLurkin...I only 'used' those bigoted terms, as that was what was sold to the Military, to get them to Hate & to Kill. The Public used & uses them as well. Just as we are using 'Hajiis' or 'Sandniggers' to Hate & Kill Iraquis or Afganis today. Youll never hear me use them publicly or privately.
Bob.. How dare You. I Hate Criminals & Injustice. I dont Hate Jews. I hate Zionist Bankers, Elitists & Criminals. If they happen to be Jewish, so be it. Many at the top are, & I recognize it. I have Jewish friends & Jewish Family members. For you to make a retarded statement like that is beyond contemptable.. Youre an Anti Gentile, so Damn you.
by Bob McKown on 02 September 2008 - 17:09
Thats okay I,ve been damned for years and by the best.

by RAVENHAWK on 02 September 2008 - 17:09
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In my home you won't see pilgrims at Thanksgiving...We(the white man) left a proud people diseased and without the land they so dearly cherished.We do however have a custom of sharing what we are gratefull for. Several years ago my now 12 y.o. son said he was thankful for ham and cheese sandwiches. LOL. A very wise man (my dad) once shared with me...be it the president of the U.S.A. or the person, homeless, down on their luck, reach out your hand and have a kind word.Just lurkin you suggested I get an education and a job. Well, back in 1989 I was homeless in two countries, America and England. As a result of someone offering a kind word and a hand I have been sober since. Certainly divine intervention and then an awful lot of hard work. I've only completed the tenth grade, but I enjoy reading and as the daughter of an Irish politician, I've been given the gift of gab.(as if there were any doubt I could ramble)Information is power. I don't work 9-5 as I am disabled.6 degenerative spine diseasesand bi-lateral hip dysplasia(gsd in past lifelol)I have no problem disclosing all this in this off topic discussion in light of all the racist hateful items I've read as of late.You may be surprised to learn I am not an extreme liberal.Although liberal.I am against affirmative action, universal health care(who's going to pay for it?)I do feel everyone regardless of age ,health,or any other reason should not be denied healthcare.I do believe I've covered nearly everything.lol. As for the noble gsd., I currently own one and am waiting for my first female pup, hopefully grown up to be breed worthy. I am also a dog trainer,obedience.Preston, I think this answers any and all questions.For reasons that are apparent to many, I will not discuss my dogs lines as of yet. I hope to meet many of you in Kentucky!Take care and all the best.
In Love,Light,andLife,
Ravenhawk
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