Which Dog is Correct? - Page 1

I recently purchased a copy of Fred Lanting's "The Total German Shepherd Dog". The front cover features a very beautiful showline GSD, Bravos vom Steffen-Haus. I'd never heard of this dog before, so I did a search on the database, and turned up two totally different dogs, with totally different pedigrees!

Which one is correct? Can two dogs have the same name in the SV system?

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/search.html?main=db&index_in=All&results_in=10&string_in=Bravos+von+Steffen+Haus

The correct dog was the Vize-Sieger in the Jugendklasse at the Bremen International Siegerschau in 1994. The picture for the dog with the correct credentials (the first one) looks to be incorrect, though. The headshot on the front of the book matches that of the second dog: http://www.hoflin.com/Books/The%20Total%20GSD

Great book, by the way!  Fred autographed it for me, and I enjoyed chatting with him, and listening to his seminar on structure and movement.

There is actually a comment on the first dog's pedigree that you made a link for.  The comment also says that it is the wrong dog.

Vickie

www.PowerHausKennels.com

Thanks, Vickie. I found the correct info on the Steffenhaus website, and made the necessary corrections. Whoever did this even had the height wrong, and said his hips were fast normal, instead of "a"!  I also posted the correct picture. Don't know whose dog that was, but it was a totally different registration number!

I'm not sure if the date is correct for the V1 title. Can someone else check on this, please?

Idiots having fun with the database again....grrrr!! 

No one is having fun with the database. They are both correct.

There are two dogs with the same name. One was born in 1993 with the USA Steffen Haus kennel name and sired by Hoss vom Hasenborn. The second was born in 2003 with the German Steffen Haus kennel name and sired by Esko Danischen Hof. They have totally different registration numbers because they are totally different dogs. Look them up on the SV website and you will see they return with the same name.

Having read the above confusion WHY do the American breeders insist on pretending to be German & using German kennel names, are they ashamed of their ancestry ?

If breeders are in their OWN country ie.NOT Germany or even German themselves, why not have names that are American or whatever their OWN nationality is, I personallly think it is perhaps trying to gain more credibility to their dogs by using sudo German names...thus causing lots of confusion to the puppy buying public.

Sooooooo... if the data base was changed on the 2nd dog... to change the picture and pedigree... then whoever changed it has messed things up for people doing pedigree searches.

I'd say that's one fault in this site... anyone can go into a dog's info and change it...  

gee... maybe we should make last year's World CH a Panda Shepherd????    (JOKING PLEASE DON'T!!!!)

It should be fairly easy to change the info back. Changes are logged, with the name of the guilty party. However, it seemed to me that the titles under the other dog's name were the same as the Steffen-Haus dog from the U.S.A.

Sigh. Don't have time to straighten this out right now. But  it is ridiculous that dogs are allowed to have the same name, when registered under the same registry. I thought one of the purposes of registries was to PREVENT this sort of confusion!! 

Singe, I believe the Steffen-Haus kennel in the U.S. is an offshoot of the one in Germany. How about criticizing the Germans for exporting their SV system to as many countries as possible, to provide a ready market for their dogs?

Sunsilver.

I was not critising the steffan-haus kennel in particular, but I have noticed that an aweful lot of American breeders DO use German type names  for their dogs & one can only assume the reason is to pretend the dogs ARE German bred.

As for critising the SV system ?...... I think not, countries using the SV system have much better quality of stock then those countries who poo hoo it, at least dogs have a chance to prove some degree of workability & sound temperament unlike the countries who allow dogs to be shown to top honours with out ever having to prove soundness of charactor or any ability to work, how ever much the SV is critised by the die hard working fraturnity, at least it IS a start to testing dogs for the purpose for which they were bred.

As for just being used as a tool to increase sales, I would just say 'A fool & his money are easily parted'

It was my understanding that Vallendarer Hohe is the German "sister kennel" to Steffen Haus? They have an advertisement together in some of my old Urma books. In fact, I just went through all of them and every Steffen Haus dog I can find has their AMERICAN breeder clearly listed.

And singe, you sure do sound like you were critizing Steffen Haus- perhaps you should do a little research on Jane Steffenhagen.  She has accomplished more in the GSD than many of us will ever hope to.

Steffen-Haus Kennels was owned by Jane Steffenhagen.  The woman that bought the german kennels wrote me as she thought I had a wrong dog in my pedigrees, cando von steffen haus.

She bred high line show dogs along weinerau and arminius lines, I bought a cando pup back in 88 i think

Jane had her dogs shown in germany for many years, teams of dogs........I must be old as dirt to know this

Rebecca