Pano - Page 1

I have been doing research, and have come to some dead ends. I still don't know what causes it, how to treat it [without meds that could potentially harm the pup.] or what it actually is. I know the symptoms, but that is all I could find after searching key words on Google.  I did not have it with my boy, but when I purchase or breed for a pup, I want to avoid it.... I have seen the delay it causes in training, and aaaahhhh the poor dog that has to be put thru such pain! Any help would be appreciated.

My pup might was suspected of having pano.   From what I learned it is pretty much growing pains in the long bones, something about the marrow.  General consensus was that it's caused from too high of protein levels.  I was feeding Evo and Orijin LBP.  He started limping so I took him in.  First question they asked was did it switch legs.  NO.  I thought it was a sports injury.   No working for a couple weeks.  He recovered for a week, then he started limping on his other front leg.  Absolute sign of pano, but no xrays were taken to confirm.   I immediatly switched to adult food, gave 1 asprin / day and reduced exercise.  He recovered in a week and has not had a relapse since.  I guess it was a mild case, never went to his rear legs,  but I think it did kill some of his drives.  We were training at a pretty good clip up to that point, then it was very hit and miss and couldnt do any real training for a few months.  Lots of time spent in the crate and kennel, no running allowed.  I think it's an excellent way to train a couch potatoe...I believe there is a genetic component but my breeder said none of her dogs have ever had it. RIGHT.  She also advised to put him on Rymidyl (sp?).  Heard lots of negatives on that drug....

Tom

Some people claim feeding  ultra high protein foods contributes to the incidence of pano (brought about by too rapid growth rate).. I have had some experience with it and feel there is a genetic predisposition. Not a scientific observation but I have seen quite a bit of it over the years.

Some dogs grow out of it as they mature but there is no guarantee they will. Stay away from it if at all possible. It is costly and a pita to deal with. Never accept a breeders claim that  "oh, it's just a phase they are going through".

I do not feed high protein puppy foods and do not supplement my pups diet. Large breeds growing too fast can cause several different problems.

Best, Rik

I have heard of negative things about Rymidyl also. I feed raw, but sometimes used a filler of wet canned to put some more weight on him. He was a skinny teenager for a LONG time. I would get questioned about feeding him....lol.

He looks good now for his age.... however I cant wait until he actually fills out.

He swims daily and train 2x a week, so I think I am doing the right things to keep him in shape, but the worry of Pano is always on my mind.

I have children, so I know what growing pains are, lol. I have heard of them in dogs. I just dont know how to prevent it other than what I am doing.

What gets me is it doesnt add up to protein.   Pano is VERY  VERY common from what i was told by my vets.  I dont know the percentage, but I would guess that 95% of the dog owners are feeding their dogs crap food like purina or pedigree or old roy...  So if such a small group of us is feeding high protein, quality food,  why is pano so wide spread?? It cant be the protein.  Just my view, so if you see it different let me know.

I have Czech dogs I feed a  mid protein quality kibble and also give raw and natural foods. My dogs are heavy boned and some get Pano and some do not. Some get it worse that others. 

The main concern with Rimadyl is that use over long periods of time it can cause liver or kidney damage, however, the damage is found mostly in Labradors.

Vickie

www.PowerHausKennels.com

My last GSD was diagnosed with spondylosis and was on Rimadyl for 3 years till the end, and organ issues were not a huge concern for me at that time, primary concern was quality of life, not quantity.... but I would not like to be popping pills like that to a puppy.   I would be interested to find  any studies on genetics of pano.   Hodie probably has some good info...

Panosteitis aka wandering lameness, long bone disease, growing pains most definitely has a genetic link.. Lance of FranJo was on his way to be put to sleep because his pano was so bad when his owner was convinced to wait it out.. because he is so heavily in almost every american pedigree.. we see it a lot in american dogs.. years ago, we had a family so to speak... and pano was very common.. some worse than others.

My first competition dog was a very medium bone guy but tall and rangy and he had several bouts that lasted up to 2 weeks where he wouldn't eat...... several of his littermantes also had it quite a bit. He had it in the front and the rear.

We had a niece of his who also had a bout in her rear.

My husbands retired competition dog - also a nephew of my first dog -  had it numerous times and the last bout  was around 3 years old.. he grew to be the top GSD in AKC agility one year and in the top 5 for about 5 years. He was the GSDCA Agility victor one year and went to numerous Nationals and Invitationals all over the country....  he is now 11 1/2 .... has some issues now but he did very well.

My business partner has a Troll v h milinda son who also had it.... he is a very large dog.

Although I don't think pups should have huge amounts of protein, I don't think feeding low protein or fat will stop it if its gonna happen. I feed raw and haven't seen pano in years.. but I also have different lines now than I used to.

The 5 minute Vet consult has a pretty good section on pano.... cases have been documented in pups as young as 8 weeks and dogs as old as 5 years. As well as  corgis and shelties and other breeds......

Rimadyl and other NSAIDS can be very effective in helping to manage pain as long as there is no overuse allowed.. a lot of higher drive dogs will work thru a lot of things.. It has to run its course and since these are pups, there's lots of time for training.....

Biggest concern with NSAIDS is the GI affect a lot of them have..... some dogs guts just can't take them at all..... that is what happened to the labs as well.. when given rimadyl.

I use hokamix also .. they say Vit C also helps.. some folks recommend overdosing it.. i have read where that can do more harm than good contrary to popular belief.... I do everything in moderation

Hope this helps.. I'm sure I've missed something that Hodie will cover