X-RAYS, please help - Page 1

Can someone give me their honest opinions about these x-rays.  it is of a 3 yr old bitch.  Are these poor x-rays, bad positioning?  what rating would you think? the right hip looks good, nice setting in the socket, but the left isn't so inside the socket.  they don't look terrible to me, maybe a fair, but I am not sure.  I think with better positioning and maybe a few months of swimming exercises, the hip would look better. 

THIS FEMALE IS FULL GERMAN SHOWLINES, 2,3 linebred on VA1 Rikkor Bad Boll.  I am not her breeder. I sold her last year to a man "as is" no gaurantee's at a greatly reduced price.  he tried to breed her once already but she didn't take, now he has x-rayed her and told me her left hip wasn't even in the socket and she has HD. 

I have shown these x-rays to several people already who have told me it is poor positioning.  but I would like as many opinions as I can get

it looks like their equipment is capable of taking a nice, clear xray, but.......whoever told you that the positioning was terrible is absolutely correct.  these are terrible films.  they should have offered to re-do them at no cost.  if they didn't, you need to ask them about it.  i seriously doubt that ofa would ever accept films of this nature.

left hip is not as good as it could be, but better positioning might make a difference.

pjp

I agree with Ziegenfarm, positioning is very bad.

However these are not dysplastic hips. They will not get the best scores probably, not they are not too bad either, clinically speaking. I dont think the dog will have any problems with them in any stage of life, given that she's kept properly of course. BUt thats true for any dog.

So depending on  the agreement you had with him, you dont neccesserily have to do anything about it. Looks, like he's more pissed with the female not taking, as he bred her without any xrays in the first place... 

The first ones are not even worth looking at.  The positioning, both of the dog (twisted and not straight on the table) and the legs (one higher than the other, one knee turned in the other out) - could not be worse.  The last one is the straightest, and in that one you can clearly see both hips are seated in the sockets, everything looks clean and I would say her hips would pass with at least Fair, she is definately not dysplastic.

When I have someone questioning their dogs' hips, I tell them unless it is very obvious (obviously very good or very bad) that I will not consider a refund/replacement (due to the hips) unless the x-rays are good enough quality to send to OFA - and then I take the opinion of OFA only.  I will not take the opinion of any "regular" vet, especially one that takes such terrible x-rays and tells you the hip isn't even in the socket.  Changing vets would be the next thing recommended.

molly

These are some of the worst  x-rays that I have ever seen, the exposure is very good but the positioning is absolutly terrible. your vet should redo them

at no charge to you.

These hips should pass the examination. They are not dysplastic in regards to joint conformation.

 I cannot say the same about the veterinarian's skills in positioning. He failed. Positioning is absolutely critical for this type of radiograph, and it must be of a quality for submission to the O.F.A., S.V., et al.

Regards,

Bob-O

Do not send those in. Get another film

The positioning is terrible, I would consider having them redone, and then send them. The OFA might even send them back to the vet who did them, saying that they need to be redone....

Jen

OFA will never accept these xrays; they are not diagnostic by any means. She will probably get a fair or a good, but never with these xrays. Also have the new vet tranquilize her; it looks as if she was fighting the manipulation.

Bad positioning but the left hip looks to be worse than the right, but I have x rays of a dysplastic bitch from 15 yrs ago score 43:43 and they are nothing like hers, she was never unsound and never went lame.  But she worked and did agility so the vet considered the muscles were so strongly developed they helped her keep her hips in the sockets (what sockets) she was off a 0:0 score import dog and a bitch who had a total score of 7. 

I would get better x rays and a score, also I had an opinion once from the BVA on a bitch I bought who went lame at 6 months, her hips were moderate scored about 15, so they may well do you a written opinion if this helps.This bitch went to a pet home, was spayed and lived to 14 with a bit of rheumatics in the last year of her life. 

HD is strange in how it affects dogs, some dogs can have a score of 15 and be affected some a high score like my Sheba and never be affected.

I hope your sort this out