Universal Sieger - Page 1

I agree that new rules/requirements need to be put in place concerning how or whether any dog can "declare" for Universal Sieger. As it is now, it is a sham. I welcome any and all dogs, be they showline, working line, VA or otherwise, but for a long time it has been sort of a joke and this year was really the worst. All dogs who are already SchH 3 dogs, with a legitimate title, proper training etc, should easily be able to compete in whatever venue is required. Probably the entire system for Universal Sieger needs a review. Hopefully you or others will propose some reasonable changes so that dogs declared really are capable of meeting the requirements and are not simply declared for publicity sake.

 That's the goal!   It would not be so bad, if  few of the phoney declarants at least went through the motions:   sent in an entry for a trial; actually showed up at a regional (after all, they only have to "participate" and don't even have to pass); actually trialed for once in the daylight, etc.   Heck, these people won't even pubicly answer as to whether they intend   to actually trial in this hemisphere at any time.  But, Lord, do they go on and on and on on the "pet boards" about the dog's "awesome" bitework, or work ethic, or anything else never seen by anyone else.   The sham is what is shameful, but some peoples' children have no shame.

where would one find the rules for "declaring" and what the requirements are?  i have never been clear on the "trial" season.   maybe it would help if you had to get your 270, compete at a regional, show at nationals, and then do the sieger show?  just an idea

john

I agree a dog should earn the title of universal seiger, but come on. Anyone with a brain can read between the lines here.

John,

The Sieger Show is usually around April, a bit early in the year for most parts of  the country, as far as the trainign and trialing, due to winter conditions. 

The problem is that there ARE NO RULES or requirements for declaring--one just does it and it goes up on the Sieger Show website as such.  Good, free marketing of a beneficiary of "Midnight Trials" in Germany, who may or may not even have a clue what a dumbbell or a tracking flag looks like.  Unless I am very much mistaken, ( and if I am, someone PLEASE tell me which other  declared dog has trialed at all since the SS)  Juneau is the ONLY one of the declared dogs who has trialed since the Sieger Show, and I believe he earned his qualifying score of 270 for the USA Nationals at that trial.  

The Requirements for Universal Sieger are:   1. Show rating at the Sieger Show';  2. entering and obtaining a score of 270 or more at a USA-sanctioned trial; participation in a USA regional championship in order to enter the USA National Champsionship.   The Universal Sieger is the dog whose combined score from the SS (so many points for VA, V, SG, etc.) and National (so many points for V, SG, etc.)    

Mystere,

if the USA nationals are always in the fall, but after the WUSV,  wouldnt that make the nationals the first trial of the "season"?   dogs competing for the world team enter the national, north american, and awdf to make the world team, please correct me if i have this wrong.

to me it would be just as easy to say that you must compete at the 2008 nationals and THEN the 2009 SS to claim your spot as Univeral Sieger. 

just an idea

john

"Makes you wonder why more of the top competitors arw not from this area, huh? :-) " 

Not to forget the entire WUSV Canadian team is from BC!!!

Nia   perhaps you speaking a bit premature .??

further you wrote.

Hopefully, next year new requirements will be in place, such as requiring that only dogs that have ACTUALLY trialed in a USA-sanctioned trial within the 12 months prior to the SS are eligible to even declare for Universal Sieger. Then, the dogs would be REQUIRED to at least attempt to fulfil the requirements for entering the National Championship (270 score in a trial and participation in a regional championship) within 3 months of the Sieger Show.

in order to go for the Universal Sieger  a dog must be shown in a regional event ( alot are in the fall  and not within 3 months of the SS ) I think thats a bit stiff .  I showed at a back to back event  Sieger show then the following weekend the nationals . However the dog  was shown for her SchH3  and regional event and IPO in a 10 week time frame between ScHH3 and nationals . It really does not matter if a dog was trialed in this country within 12 months  it has to trial to get 270  for the nationals and participate in a regional event  .

I would go with John idea ....  with a declaration at the Nationals in Nov  and a showing at the siegershow the following year  that would  erase your  thought of  a plot .

Pia