BEAUTIFUL WITH TITLE.. - Page 1

 Since I receive this beautiful magazine every month (GSD review) i tought on helping you see that there is in fact Am. bred. with titles..

Here's a few :

CH. Carousel farm caisson RN TD PT MX MXJ NAP NJP OAP OJP OF
AOE Sel. CH Kismet's sight for sore eyes PT HSCS, ROM

AOE sel. Elvaston Southern byrne TC PT HSAS ROM

CH Jakar Rivendell Brando TC HSCS ROM

CH Zydeco's jaqueline Kennedy HSAS HIAS NAP NJP

CH Rohan's rewards CD RN HT

Ch. Covy tucker hill Monte Alban UD RO

CH. Miguel Baron of Afbor UD ROM

CH. Consalta's Ace of Wyliwood CDX ROM

Ch. Sugerstone Andre UDX HS OA TC

Ch" Andaka Zederland's Keno UD OA HS NA

Ch.Windyhill's Zydeco HSIS UD OA NA NAJ HSAS

Ch. Debrut's Different Drummer UDX NA

AOE Sel. CH NUEra Tragically Hip braveheart TC HSASD ROM

Just to name a few..like I said in previous post..Herding is becoming very popular and as you can see..our GSD still have their herding instinct and are able to work sheep pretty well.  Isn't that what they we're bred to do in the beginning??

For those who don't know what some of these titles means can go to http://www.akc.org/events/titles.cfm?page=2

What is % of Grand Victors & Grand Victrixes that have a title at the end?

Are they not the Siegers of the AKC world.

http://gsdca.org/GSDReviewed/GrandVictors.html

http://gsdca.org/GSDReviewed/GrandVictrixs.html

ROM (Register Of Merit) is not a working degree.

 You"re Right. ROM is not a title(you need 100 points to earn it) but it proved that you have a least 5 progenies that have achieved CH. title (obedience and Conformation). The rest of the point needs to be by a least 5 more progenies.

It's a complicated system!!

Wouldn't it be great if they only awarded championships to dogs with performance titles, like a dog cannot get their V without a SchH title? Still pretty watered down as far as working dogs go, but a step in the right direction, at least.

But those aren't Schutzhund  working titles, July. Why should they count?

Actually, in seriousness, if the dogs have nice conformation, have some sort of titlement to show some degree of workability, and can pass OFA, there's no reason to waste time and energy talking about how useless or worthless they are-they are here whether you like it or not, and will continue to be so. If you don't like it (how it works, looks. moves, or whatever), then don't buy it. Plain and simple enough; nothing wrong if some people DO like it. I'm glad you posted the info, July. I am rather surprised you found so many, but good for you.

It doesn't personally affect me if there is peace between the Schutzhund world and the American CH world or not; but I think fair is fair. Like its been said before extremeties in BOTH categories is undesirable (extremely aggressive, angulated, fearful, in-bred, so forth). But if a decent balance can be achieved between conformation and workability, why disregard it? Because the titles come from the AKC? Geesh. I think it's good if someone will go out and do something with their GSD, regardless of what it is. Our breed should be one of the front-runners in herding, July, without a doubt. But I've gotta admit, I've seen some German-bred GSDs with little to no herding instinct.

I was kidding with that first little bit in blue, by the way.

To be fair, katjo- should those dogs not be CAPABLE of a SchH degree, even if they do not have it? NO one has come up for me yet even one dog from 3 generations of American showline breeding, with an AKC championship and a schutzhund title.  A SchH1 is not that hard with a decent dog and a decent trainer. There's got to be some out there!

 I know..

I just posted that because people we're wandering if in fact they're was Am. bred with titles..I happened to have the info here so I tought It would be good info to pass on.

And like I said..these are only a few.  I really think herding must be one of the main instinct the GSD should have. That's the first thing they we're bred to do. Schutzhund came after.

And I agree with you..wathever you do with your GSD is wonderful..Only prove how versatile and brilliant this breed is.

july, we all knew there are champions with ob/agility/herding/tracking titles. The big debate on the other thread was if there were any with SchH titles.  Also, have you read the requirements for an HGH (german herding title)? I really think you should...

 We're can I find this information?? I will surely look at it.( don't tell me they need IPO 3 and schutzhund to be have herding instinct!!)

And I'm not trying to compare here..Have you looked at the American Standard?? I think you should cause it is much more base on herding than schutzhund..maybe that's why there is this HUGE difference between german and american GSD.

Working Lines (and I should say schutzhund lines) are bred to do schutzhund. Should we call that work or sport??

My point was That herding is a real JOB too..And I don't see much schutzhund title dog with a championship why?? Maybe they can't do it in both ring either! 

Breed survey and showing a dog to a championship is very different..If you did both you surely know what i'm talking about..

And Sieger doesn't make you a Champion either. Much more difficult to attain a CH in front than a cririque at a Sieger..