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by july9000 on 16 July 2008 - 17:07
If I can read correctly..The standard we can see here was written by Mr. Morton Goldfarb..I read the FCI standard elsewhere and some of the things are different..
Exemple: nothing on over angulation and the fact that it reduce the working ability..(only in this standard)
Also This is more than Funny..Mr" Goldfarb was the Judge in 2006 for te canadian national and is critique was:
I was please to judge such beautiful representative of the breed with good temperament and very good structure(putting up some very angulated dogs and real side gaiter)
altought there was german lines being shown..he has put none in his winning!! All American showline GSD..
This was the Grand Victor...
www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/519752.html
The Grand Victrix is not in this database..her name is Hayshill Tiramisu.
So much for HIS interpretation of the standard!

by tighe on 16 July 2008 - 18:07
Why would Mr. Goldfarb put up German Line dogs in an Am. Line show? He didn't want to be invited back?

by july9000 on 16 July 2008 - 18:07
And that is the problem..everybody has their own interpretation of it..I don't know if someone know if it is the same with other breeds..Is their standard so different from different organization. This makes all the difference.. In the American and Canaian standard there is much more emphasis on gait (describing it with a lot of detail) whereas in the FCI standard there is more for temperament.
Why is so..The standard had to be approve by the SV I suppose??

by animules on 16 July 2008 - 18:07
Did you notice this is the standard approved and supposed to be used by any FCI affiliated clubs? Did you notice the date this was written and published? This is the FCI standard.
From that page:
'The above standard was approved and put into effect for the countries and clubs of the FCI. The name of the breed is the German Shepherd Dog. The country of origin is Germany."
From SCHUTZHUND USA March/April 1989 "The German Shepherd Standard" by Morton Goldfarb USA/SV/AKC Judge

by july9000 on 16 July 2008 - 18:07
I said they're were some german showline dogs but not a lot. Actually it was a pretty interesting show. A real suspense because nobody knew what he was going to put in front. It was kind of neat not knowing at all who was going to Win.
I can tell you what I havee noticed:
He likes masculine/feminine. nice head, the back is really important and he wants a short dog, dry he likes the dry.
he placed some dogs that had faulty gait tought (more uplifting front than dragging toes) .
We had a great time as usal and it seems it was the same for him..

by july9000 on 16 July 2008 - 18:07
What I was saying is that on other sites it is written FCI standard but t is not exactly the same..the phrases are not the same yet they all say FCI standard.
I was wondering why there were some differences in the choosing of the words describing the dog..

by animules on 16 July 2008 - 19:07
Where are you looking that you DON'T see over angulation talked about as something that reduces working ability??? I think these standards are pretty much the key ones to look at don't you?
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See WorkingDogs.com WUSV FCI Standard: "...Every tendency towards overangulation of the rear quarters diminishes soundness and endurance..."
http://www.workingdogs.com/standard_fci.htm
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See United Schutzhund Club Breed Standard: "...Any tendency for over-angulation of the rear reduces firmness and endurance of the dog and therefore, working capability...."
http://germanshepherddog.com/regulations/breed_standard.htm

by july9000 on 16 July 2008 - 19:07
Now I know why I didn't see it..This One is in the gait. I didn't read far enough.LOL, I have passed over without seing it!
My question is?
When the AKC made their standard ( which is different) didn't it had to be acceted by the SV?

by Silbersee on 16 July 2008 - 19:07
July,
if you read the description of the FCI, you will see that nobody, but nobody has the authority to write or change the GSD standard other than the SV.
www.fci.be/uploaded_files/255gb2001_en.docNow, I hope the above link works for you. It does not for me, but my pc here in the office is acting up.
Chris
P.S. This standard will soon be changed. It is just a matter of months, depending on how quick the mills of bureaucracy will grind.

by animules on 16 July 2008 - 20:07
http://www.fci.be/uploaded_files/166A1991_en.doc
Chris, Thank You!!!! above is the link the to GSD standard
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