New Color? - Page 1

ok, I am taking this off the sable genetics thread and giving it its own because I would love to have other peoples in put.

please take a look at this link: http://www.loujuangsd.net/photo3_2.html

I have also found several breeders in the UK and Netherlands also breeding dogs like this.  these pups are born solid black, and at around 3-4 months they start developing the silver or brown highlights on the shoulders, kneck and britches.

I will try and find the other kennels and post pictures here.  but what would you consider this color? is this a reverse sable (same as a reverse brindle boxer, they appear blacker than a normal brindle)? is this a color found in other breeds known as "seal"? or is this something else entirely.

the only other tiems I have seen this is with other breeds which the color is refered to as seal, and also in North American Timber Wolves.  the cubs are born black, and develope the silver coloring with age.

Jennifer

That's absolutely BEAUTIFUL!

I like the name reverse sable, great choice

You see this in black and tans sometimes too. And I've seen it in solid blacks and bicolors too. Only mostly when I've seen it, it only shows through when the dog is blowing coat and you ruffle the topcoat back.

I'd take one if it falls in the breed standard. It deffinatly looks like a GSD and compliments them in my opinion anyway.  It reminds me of a wolf coloring. Actually come to think about it my friends bitch years ago looked like this. I just thought she fed crappy food and the black was faded in the sun maybe. She gave me a pup out if her. The father looked like a traditional WGS saddle and redish tan. My pup turned out a blanket back black and red, one of the funnest smartest GSD's I have owned.

After looking at the site,
I see that they are breeding for funky colors,

They may as well be Panda Shepherds, still very beautiful,
I owned a pure white gsd that our family loved so much. but I believe
when breeding gsd's you should try and stick to the guidelines set
aside by the breeds founder............

Because, when you stray that far, it no longer can be a true representative to the breed
and all the standards set forth.

I would love to see the white German Shepherd come back into the line-up

JMO

I just don't think I could produce a color like that without a hint of white..........

my old bicolor blk/silver female had a very light undercoat, looked like a black sable in summer or after she blew coat from having pups. 

I am still looking for the UK and other sites.  I have questioned the owners, but all they can say is that they think they are sables.  most are just getting breeding age now. its weird though, they start out solid black.  I am just curious to see how they produce, if infact this is a sable color.

If this pup cropped up in a litter bred by a reputable breeder who bred for working ability from breed surveyed dogs then I wouldn't have a problem with whatever the color or coat of the little odd ball, especially if I wanted a dog just for sport and companion, it was from a really fantastic breeding, and I would be able to get it at a reduced price because it was a blue or a liver.  But I would NEVER breed it.

I would NEVER buy one from someone so unscrupulous as to breed specifically for non-standard dogs from non-standard dogs.  Plus I see the usual  "working on titles" crap.  People like this are "working" on something alright.

Yes she breeds for off colors and coats. so do alot of other breeders in the North America, also in the UK. to each his own.   I also know she takes very good care of her dogs, feeds all natural food, gets her dogs penn-hiped, OFA's, has their eyes and heart certified.  She is active in AKC/UKC obedience, herding and agility. Her dogs are young, but are actively being trained and worked in these fields.  She does alot more with her dogs than quite a few people on this board.

I did not start this thread to start bashing what she breeds.  Yes it does cause alot of controversy. but  this thread is intended to discuss the black sable coloring of this particular dog and others in the UK and Netherlands.

I went back and changed my post because I realize your original post was asking for opinions on that particular color, and not about any breeder...............but I still had to put in my .02 about the breeder (sorry).

One other thing, you say this breeder does more with her dogs than many on this board.  I don't know what would make you think that.  You would be surprised at the level of commitment most members have with regards to thier dogs.  Many (probably most) of the breeders who frequent this board (both working and show line breeders) do a lot with their dogs, including breed surveying their breeding stock.  Those who don't do breed surveys are usually involved with other sports or work with their dogs.

 I'm a ittle concern about the liver color...It is proven that they are very prone to skin problem and allergies..I don't thik that 's a good thing.

These are not colors ACCEPTED IN THE STANDARD.  THEY ARE DISQUALIFICATION FAULT. You shouldn't  breed them even if they are healthy.