from the MI SCARY KENNEL guy..... - Page 1

I thought this was a site for information and education. Come to find out it's a  BASHING BASKET!  wow!  first of all none of you know me or my dogs or are aware of my almost 30 yrs experience with canines. second, I never claimed to be a kennel therfore, the label you want to put on me as a  "scary kennel" is  amusing!  I only own two dogs, my pets. As far as the age of my dam and sire...well your ignorance has shown through again. When you become more educated " not opinionated " we can talk again. Just because some of you have had several litters of pups certianly doesn't make you an expert on the reproduction system .Many of you out  there don't know a bloodline  from a blood trail, not to even mention a gene!  Which brings me to my next piont...titles, paper work etc...some of you want to bash me and claim that I am just here for the money. Well the fact of the matter is I don't need the money this is not my sourse of income. Unlike some of you who will go out and drop thousands of dollars on a dog that has a file full of papers ie; titles etc. imported from Germany and then breed this dog and sell the pups for outragous prices so that you make huge profits. You in most cases have not  trained/show that dog or earned anything. In most cases you don't even know the dog, just whats been told and sold to you.You purchase the dog and his papers and profit off some one elses hard work. "Not all, but many of you"  for those of you who have a problem with my dogs not being title, I say ,so the hell what !!!  I am not selling titles and fancy paper work, I am selling a well bred german Shepherd pup! a companion, trusted  family pet which is what most real people are looking for anyway. There isn't one person here who would know, god forbid,  if they hit a GSD with thier car today if that dog was a free pup or a  thirty thousand dollar papered dog. So lets face it people, all the title,VA, pink paper, limited/unlimited  fancy paper work is all in place for PROFIT ! The average joe public is easily impressed  with pretty paper work and  fancy names and titles but don't really have a clue what they mean, and many breeders take advantage of thier ignorance. and all they really want is a nice puppy for the family. Even a OFA/OFEL certified parent doesn't gaurrantee your pup won't have problems.  I can take any of your GSD's, remove or withold the paper work "OOPS sorry no profit in that" and place them in a very good home .. for free... and no one would ever know it was a five thousand dollar dog. But non the less still a great dog without  all the hopla!  So for you  high on yourself  people out there who think  you're the only ones who have a good dog or puppy....you can kiss my @*#.  And for all you bleeding hearts out there who just jump in and follow "like sheep" some lonely " needs to get a life"  house wife with nothing better to do than get on this site and bash people because she doesn't have anything better to do with her time.or just doesn't agree with some one,  I would suggest  that you fisrt educate yourself on the issue and get the facts first before bashing and running down some ones good name.

 Unlike some of you who will go out and drop thousands of dollars on a dog that has a file full of papers ie; titles etc. imported from Germany and then breed this dog and sell the pups for outragous prices so that you make huge profits. You in most cases have not  trained/show that dog or earned anything. In most cases you don't even know the dog, just whats been told and sold to you.You purchase the dog and his papers and profit off some one elses hard work.

Well, I don't get all caught up in the bashing thing - no point in it  BUT I do have to agree with that statememnt! As I have seen many kennels pop up in my area that have NEVER titled a dog but yet bought dogs with titles. They breed the hell out of them and then sell them off when they get too old. Sad but true. One only has to look at these websites to see who actually works and titles to those who buy titled.

EK

I merely stated facts and your site speaks volumes for itself...  people have formed their own opinion.  As for running down someones good name, your webmaster is doing a fine job for you...  You comment above merely shows your ignorance to the breed and you lack of knowlege about what Stephanitz wanted.

Maybe you should take a look at the animal shelters in the USA and see what people are trying to say. No one is trying to be ignorant or personally attack you. Their are hundred's of German shepherds being unloaded into Pounds-shelters -rescues-all from people who breed "just pets as you do. go look  at what you are doing,just adding to the over population of unwanted dogs in our country.people on here are professional's and know very much what they are doing. They title their dog's,they health test their dog's,they know their line's,they know their genetic fault's,thats their reason's for their fancy paper's ,titles etc. Don't knock the pro's because of your ignorance!  Have a nice day.

                                                                                                                                                                                         Keycat

Thanks KEYCAT,

I cannot agree more.

 I'm not into bashing either.  This should be a site where we can discuss and learn from others.

I have to admit that yo are rigt on one point.  A lot a peole do a lot of blabla and has never put a title on a dog, always purchased it already done.  This site is more for breeders than fanciers (that only want a good dog and couln't handle one with a sch.).

And I agree with keycat.  If you can make it the right way..then just don't. Shelters have enough GSD. It's a shame that so many good dogs end up there. JMO

spernad,

Very few really understand what Stephanitz had in his mind or what he saw.   I'm tired of people envoking his name as if they actually knew him.   Truth be known what he had in mind as become obsolete and has been replaced with only interpretation's that suit each person's own need's and preference's.

Heritage,

Bashing around here seem's to be the past time for a few, not all.    By the way, hello and welcome.

I've been to your site and I do agree you have a few problem's but you can learn and do better.

I'm not really even reading these post's of late as they have no merit for the most part and I have grown tired of the bull shit from so many who must not have anything better to do.    There is knowledge here once you have a real problem and ask for advice but a lot are afraid to ask simply out of fear of being the next target. 

Some people need to get off their high horse and mind their own business, put away the envy, jealousy, and mean spirit that sometime's motivate's some post's. 

And some people need to understand they do not control other's and aren't qualified to judge anyone.

SSDD,

Brent.

"I thought this was a site for information and education. Come to find out it's a  BASHING BASKET!  wow!  first of all none of you know me or my dogs or are aware of my almost 30 yrs experience with canines. second, I never claimed to be a kennel therfore, the label you want to put on me as a  "scary kennel" is  amusing!  I only own two dogs, my pets."

30 yrs experience? Wow me too. I'm only 32 but have had a dog since I was 2. Does that count as experience? Lets cut the crap. You claim 13 yrs "professional" experience. What does that mean? You didn't elaborate on your website. You call yourself Sand Hill German Shpherds but claim to not be a kennel? You can't have it both ways. You call yourself professional and your dogs "pets"... well professionals don't breed  2 pet dogs together. Your trying to play both sides of the coin it seems. Pick a side and stick to it. I don't see any titles on your dogs, so why come down on others like yourself? Makes no sense.

Unlike some of you who will go out and drop thousands of dollars on a dog that has a file full of papers ie; titles etc. imported from Germany and then breed this dog and sell the pups for outragous prices so that you make huge profits. You in most cases have not  trained/show that dog or earned anything. In most cases you don't even know the dog, just whats been told and sold to you.You purchase the dog and his papers and profit off some one elses hard work.

Your a real piece of work coming up with this rationalization. Drop thousands of dollars (let's say $15,000) for an  (imported $1200 fee), and making huge profits doesn't go together idiot stick! If you Import a dog that costs $, if you pay $15,000 for a nice bitch, that costs $, if you then pay a stud fee ($1000) or buy your own male (at who knows what cost depending on quality) to breed to her, that costs $. I'm not even going into vet bills or dog food, wormer and such for adults and pups. So how and the hell does someone make a huge profit selling pups after that? Sure $2000 seems crazy for a little puppy when you can buy one outside Walmart for $200 but there is allot more going on behind the scenes than you would think. The "thousands of dollar" dogs are not "pets" they are titled/shown/health cleared dogs that have probably already proven themselves as a producer of quality pups. Whether it be the person currently owning the dog or the previous owner (price will reflect what the previous owner put into that dog) there is no easy way to get quality dogs. You either start at the bottom and do all the work yourself or you pay out the nose for someone elses time to do it. Either way isn't a cake walk or a quick profit strategy!

TWO MOONS,

No,  you are correct, I am not qualified to judge anyone.  This guy might be the nicest person we've ever met.  However, Heritage states here:

"As far as the age of my dam and sire...well your ignorance has shown through again. When you become more educated " not opinionated " we can talk again. Just because some of you have had several litters of pups certianly doesn't make you an expert on the reproduction system "

"But I known of some of the finest GSD's that have come from a bitch 1 to 11/2 year olds."

Now in all honesty, Who of you would be willing to breed your female at 1 year?  If heritage was more willing to listen to what people are saying, but he is set in being right and all of us wrong, so this thread is a waste of good typing skills.

 Well said keycat and 4 pack.