Need help with puppy contract. - Page 1

I need help in making a puppy contract?

The main idea is that my puppies will not be bred at very least the bitches. I also want to promote spay and nueter.

Yesterday, i was asked to asist in a mating of 2 rhodesian ridgebacks. The male was very good but the female had some major faults such as bad ridge and she was too short and whole lot of other issues. Anyway, i was reluctant and although i went for the job i did not follow thru as the result would be bad puppies. We really do not need anymore substandard dogs in this country. This would be a backyard breeding situation.

Many people have there own philosophy on breeding dogs whether they are good or not but mostly do not. They always go for the cheapest, closest stud that they could find.

I have reason to believe that I breed good dogs because they are winning in conformation shows but i still do not want them to be bred.

We donnot have full reg and limited reg here.

What if:

Figures are just rounded off for convience.

1) I sell pups on say $100 and refund 40%if the spay or nueter before pups turn 10month

2) I spay and nueter the litter as pups and sell at USD 60

3) I offer to spay and nuter at my cost and refund money of done before 10months

4) what ever situation that may arise.

How wil people take to this situation? By the way, i live in a buddhist country, its a strong belief that it is a sin to spay and nueter although the views are changing most people still fell this way.

Please help.

By the way, holding papers does not work as they will breed and sell to the pet shop or to brokers. How strong can a contract be held to. Can i go legal if the contract is broken.

What if the puppy is hidden and informed that the pup had passed away but is later bred with no papers or false papers as registration is mainly based to breeders honesty.

Unfortunately the contract is about as good as what the paper is worth that it's written on.  You can go legal on ANY contract, written or verbal however written will stand up MUCH more than a "verbal".  Trouble is if you should have to go legal will it be worth your while in spending hundreds, possibly thousands of dollars to fight in the courts???

Just because your contract says XYZ does not mean the owner intends to follow it.  They can move away and not tell you; how would you know until it's too late?  They can tell you the dog died, got hit by a car, got stolen or whatever they wish if they want to hide the dog from you for whatever reason.  How would you REALLY know unless you really went through the trouble to investigate everyone you sell to??

You're correct that holding papers doesn't guarantee you the owner will not breed.  To many the papers mean nothing and sit in a drawer.  The only thing I can say is to ask some breeders you may know to share their contract with you; doesn't have to be a GSD breeder as most breeders prepare their contracts very similarly.  You can always alter the contract to add or delete things you don't want or add things you specifically want.  The other thing is to do your screening when you have people inquire about your litter. 

Thanks, would you or anybody think of a fool proof system thats to my advantage.

it would be better if you required the males to be neutered if anything ,a male can do far more damage to a breed than a female the ''founder effect'' is the bane of many breeds....when selling puppies I think more than anything you have to go by your gut .I tell people right off I don't sell them for breeding I ask them about thier previous dogs and if were spayed neutered etc ,,,,there are a lot of quality homes where people have no interest at all in breeding,

I really think that the only way you can absolutely guarantee that they will not be bred is for you to spay/neuter them before they are sent to their new homes.  I work at an animal shelter and we spay/neuter puppies at 8 weeks of age with no adverse effects.  You may want to talk to your vet about his/her comfort level with spaying/neutering at this age, but most vets are now supportive of the idea.  You could also offer a substantial refund once it is done which is generally done by requiring a deposit before the puppy goes home, but I agree  with  AgarPhranicniStraze1; it's just a chance you'll have to take.  Good luck and my appraisal to you for being so responsible!
 

 I agree with DDRshepherd post.  I know the "Labradoodle" breeders spay or neuter all pups not intended for breeding at 6 weeks prior to going to their new homes.  

I know, don't shoot the messenger.  This is just what I know about labradoodle breeders and shelters.  There is literature to substantiate the positive effects of an early desexing just as there is literature concerning possible negative consequences.  Our friend in Sri Lanka is trying to do the right thing and has few options.  This might be the best overall.  

Good luck.

DDR shep & Bravo,

When you say substantial refund, how much would that be. I am willing to go up to 40% + bare the cost of the operation at the vet of there choice. So its like 50% off. I really dont want by dogs pups been bred.

Panzer, the founder effect is a new term for me. I will research it a little bit more bt would appreciate if you can elaborate more on this

If you have a skilled veterinary surgeon in your area, the puppies could be neutered very young by vasectomizing the males and performing tubal ligations on the females. This would allow the dogs to develop their secondary sex characteristics and they will look like better quality GSD's at maturity. The males will still try to breed a bitch and may even execute a tie and the bitches will still come into season, but both will be infertile.

Hmm Blitzen, this is food for thought but i dont want my reputation to get buggered up.