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blair built gsd

by blair built gsd on 08 July 2008 - 07:07

i am new to the site but am a 3rd generation gsd owner. i have read all  the complaints about breeders on this post and have had my own problems over the last couple months here in kentucky. i can not stand this limited registration bs i had found a pup it was allready six months old had not been socialized and had tried to bite the owner i spoke with the breeder many times and she had quoted a fair price and i said i was interested and send pics. after i got them i called her back and said i would take her. i then ask about health guarantees and she said there were none i then asked about registering with akc and was infomed that for the price she quoted it would be a limited registration and i told her i may want to breed her in a couple of years if she turned out to be a great dog. then i was informed that the price would double if i wanted to breed her. i tried to talk her into making a deal i could afford and was told if i let her pick the stud and give her pick of the first two litters i could have her for the original price. but would still not get full registration until i gave her the pups. i tried to work every kind of deal to get full registration at time of purchase even sign a seperate contract to give her one pup with my stud dog and she would not have it. that rubbed me wrong that may be the way some people do buisness but i was not going to take all the risk on my own so i walked away and found a wonderfull pup from some one else and i wish more people would do the same and maybe these breeders would get the point that the buyer has the final say where their money is spent. and thanks to people like her i know my new breeding program will be a success. i promise i will sell dogs for one price that the new owners can do with what they like. please let me know if you gsd lovers would like to do buisness with someone with the best intentions of the breed in mind


by RockyMud on 08 July 2008 - 07:07

I understand exactly what you are talking about. BS breeders will take every way they can to just get more money out of you. Maybe she or he was a back yard breeder? Did the breeder have all the right testing done on the parents before the breeding?

Just curious...Good luck! Nikki


katjo74

by katjo74 on 08 July 2008 - 08:07

Some people to it to keep down needless unethical breeding until the dogs are proven (give AKC limited breeding rights until the dog is OFAed, titled, etc). There's nothing wrong with that sort of reasoning/thinking. It is being responsible.
 
First off, One thing I can't help but question in your story about the first female you tried to get (for the sake of discussion, I'm temporarily ignoring what you've done said about the female's temperament), and I wonder if you thought what you've written here; how in the world could this breeder expect you (or anyone) to provide her 2- 1st pick AKC puppies from litters (which would have to be at least 6 mos to a year apart in age) if you only had AKC limited breeding rights on the mother until the agreement was fulfilled? Anything produced from the female with the limited breeding rights papers would be UNREGISTERED with the AKC until the Mom's registration status was changed to full by the breeder, which from what you said, wouldn't take place until the agreement was fulfilled.  And how would you sell the rest of the litter produced without AKC papers? Sheesh. Where do people cook up these ideas?!

And secondly, you were trying to barter for a 6 mos old unsocialized GSD female who had already tried to bite its owner (which, if it feels that way about its owner who has raised it from a pup, how would she react with strangers and kids? The dog has some serious issues).  Sounds to me this dog does not EVER need to be bred at all, period and does not NEED full breeding rights issued EVER. You would've bought and bred that female, regardless of what you've said here you know about her, if the price had been right.

It's therefore obvious that you walked away from female #1 over money and breeding rights, not over quality and love for the overall breed. Hm. My personal thoughts? Easy:


AgarPhranicniStraze1

by AgarPhranicniStraze1 on 08 July 2008 - 10:07

I think A. it was a good thing for all parties that you walked away from this deal. Had you went through with it I think you would have been posting either a classified ad trying to unload this dog in 6 months or you would have eventually had an ax to grind with the breeder over a registration issue or breeding deal. B. the breeder may have placed these stipulations to accomplish you doing just what you did by walking away from the deal.  Perhaps she knew this dog was not breeding quality so she put as many stipulations and drove up the price so that you'd bail; as you did and IMO I would have never agreed to such a deal regardless of what the dogs temperment was either-good, bad, or excellent! 

Without knowing the circumstances or nature of the 6 mo old pup biting someone it's hard to determine if the pup had in fact a temperment issue.  Could have been mishandled, could be a pup out of hard bloodlines, could be a socialization issue or a number of things. BUT knowing up front it did bite someone at such a young age I myself probably would not have been interested.  With that being said, the breeder appears to have been forthcoming with the information and by giving limited registration she clearly was indicating that she did not feel the dog should be bred.  As any responsible breeder would do.  When you approached with the "thought" you "might" breed the dog later on the breeder probably had red flags go up and rather than go through the whole speech of "not every dog should be bred" and why, she took the easy tactful way and discouraged you by hiking up the price, placing demands that would not be attractive to you and her theory worked.

I don't see why you would be upset with her.  Would you have been happier if she told you this was a high level competition prospect, super sweet temperment-loved everyone, had drives and confidence out the wazoo and would be a fantastic breeding prospect, took your money and gave you full registration for you to breed to Mr. Jone's lovely GSD down the road and produce a bunch of garbage so you can come back and tell us how you got ripped off on a dog that was sold to you misrepresented???

Good luck with your new pup, hopefully you made a wise choice and it works out for you. 


Sue-Ann

by Sue-Ann on 08 July 2008 - 11:07

Considering a dog, who has already failed at it's 1st home due to temperament issues, as a breeding prospect puts you not only in the category of a BS breeder, but also BY breeder.  Sorry, but honestly you do not have the best intentions for the breed in mind.  Price for a returned dog being half price with limited registration and questionable temperament sounds mighty responsible to me.  Asking for 2 pups from the future breedings = BYB status to you both.

 


by DKiah on 08 July 2008 - 12:07

How about a comment from one of those bs breeders?? I am not a big fan of the limited registration but I will use it if i think i need to or if the puppy is not what I would consider breeding material.... Not all dogs are worth breeding (including sometimes those I produce.. its the way it works unfortunately.. not all people are breed worthy either but that's a whole different thread!) Not all buyers are honest or half as smart as they may appear to be.

Let me start by saying that the puppies from my breedings are MINE, it is my job to find them the best homes after of course I have done all I can do to make the best breeding I can.... I have done all the planning and preparing and stayed up for however long it takes to whelp everyone and make sure their entrance into this world is as it should be... I then monitor and track and record every day of their lives while also caring for their mother so that she can provide them with all they need. I watch behavior, I introduce them to new things, I am always doing something to make them the best they can be.... I'll tellyou what drives me crazy is some bs puppy buyer who thinks they are gonna control how, what, where, when and why I will sell a puppy. I have turned down many a good prospect and will continue to do just that..... although I like opt place my pups at the optimum time for bonding, i have no reservations about keeping a pup until i have found the right home for it.. whether it be the superstar or the pups I'm not so sure about.... 

I agree it was good to walk away from this particular dog and breeder.  However, with the right candidates involved.. I do not have any problem with the "puppy back" agreement..... I have been on both ends of this agreement, it can work with the right parties.

Just another perspective.......


panzertoo

by panzertoo on 08 July 2008 - 12:07

the reason a lot of breeders do that is because its very common for people to get a dog and then think its ;the best dog they ever had'' albeit they only had a couple dogs previous and the fact the percentage of dogs who get get genetic clearences is very small ,limted reg is a tool AKC gave breeders to help control backyard breeding


Arrakis

by Arrakis on 08 July 2008 - 13:07

You know, you should get a hold of Rocking K Ranch or Windy Pool. They are about your speed.

At the risk of sounding rude, your picture here under you kennel name is NASTY.

Who are you? I would walk away if I showed up at your place looking for a dog. What's up with those dirty, nasty looking finger nails, looks like you have a major Yeasty thing going on with them. I can't see how you can keep good hygiene with them.

Then the Tatts every where, do you have a beard too.

AND WHAT'S UP WITH THE FAT DOGS!

I'm just saying first impressions alone of you would send me running the other direction. And Ditto what the others say about the limited registration.

 


july9000

by july9000 on 08 July 2008 - 13:07

 We sell our puppies with nonbreeding agreements all the time...If it's not tat it is a obligation to spay/neuter.  Most of people only want a family pet.

We remove the non-breeding if the dog made a championships( obedience, conformation or working title) and his/her HIP and elbows clear(certification required)

We never had a problem with that.  Usually people who don't see it this way want just to breed without knowing enough abou the breed.  They think it's easy and it will be fun for the kids!! And that they gonna sell those pups at a high price.

It has work for us for years. Here in Quebec(mos of Canada) All the Airedales breeder do it. That's just the way it is if you want one.  My friend (a gsd breeder) told me I will never sell my puppies doing that with shepherd..Over the year it happened once.  The guy said i want to be able to do what I want with MY dog...And I answer..well i'm sorry to tell you that it is still MY dog and that's the way we do business here.  

That's the problem with GSD..you have very good  bredders...and way too much backyard breeders who just don't car about the breed.


MI_GSD

by MI_GSD on 08 July 2008 - 13:07

"Who are you? I would walk away if I showed up at your place looking for a dog. What's up with those dirty, nasty looking finger nails, looks like you have a major Yeasty thing going on with them. I can't see how you can keep good hygiene with them.

Then the Tatts every where, do you have a beard too.

AND WHAT'S UP WITH THE FAT DOGS!"

ROFLMFOA!  I couldn't of said it better myself.






 


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