Is it O.K. to breed West German dog with Czech/DDR/Belgian/American dog? - Page 1

Hi Folks:

I just posted this questions to find out what other german shepherd fanciers think about mixing dogs from different countries?

Ajay Singh

www.ajaysingh.com

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Nice to hear from you again Ajay.

Hi Ajay,

Remember Shadow, he was mixed East German (Don Rolandsteich/David Nebelholz), West German lines from Marko Cellarland etc and American (von Falconer/American herding-no showlines).  I really though he was one of the best dogs ever, but, I am not so objective.

DDR, WGR and American

Michele and Pharaoh

yep seems to produce nice dogs

well, i'm going to be contrary........iguess.  my personal preference only.  i like to see czech bred to czech, ddr to ddr, w germ to w germ, belgian to belgian and american never bred at all.  if there is any mixing done, i would prefer to see czech and ddr; w germ to belgian.  once again this is just my personal preference.  i will also add that i am seriously biased in my opinion and favor belgian bred dogs above all.......followed by w germ.

pjp

I personnally like the East German DDR lines,

I find czech dogs to have quite a lot of extra energy, so if there is a little in
the pedigree that's no problem, I'm just looking for easy to train laid back serious dogs.
I also like to see alot of bone in my dogs, for which I feel West German lines, at least some
I've seen have thinner bones and a more angled back than the eastes.

I know call me lazy

I have heard many nice things from different people about Belgain lines, as far as
American, I morphed away from them, they seem to be plaged with too many health
problems.........

Last but not least, just make sure each dog has 4 legs, and a tail that wags alot!!(Sorry, just being a wise a _ _

Having said all that, you would probably get a dog from that mixure that would take extra time to figure out

when training

I have Czech dogs. In my opinion most crosses between Czech and W German working lines are not what I am looking for in a dog. The dogs seem to lose pigment and have a different look their sires and dams they look odd to me. The few crosses I have seen that work (JMO) have been with Pike and his brother Pollux along with Fax VH Bernhardt Mader. ie Orry, Zoran Ben Ju along with the influence of Illo VD Abfuhr.The Czechs oddly enough used some W German showlines with success as the dogs were tough and the results were good ie Cello and Yane. Most Czech dogs came from the old DDR lines and the fairly recent use of Don VH Iris and DerriK VH Iris seem to really work.

What are lines?  If there is a certain physical or character trait that gets transmitted dominantly from one dog to its progeny, we call it a line.  I am still not sure what people mean when they talk about West German Lines - it is west german show line? Is it west german working line? Is it Ursus Batu. Ulk Arlett, Pakros? What???? they were all different dogs who brought different physiclal and character traits.  Similarly, from working dog standpoint, WHO??? Fero, Mink, Troll, Asko, Lasko, WHO??  Same with DDR lines - WHO, and you can make the same point about Czech, Slovakian, and Belgian dogs.   The breedings are done with individual dogs, so doesn't it make sense to make the breedings where one is bringing together desirable physical and character traits.  One would think that the influence of the parents would be stronger than the grandparents and subsequent generations so more attention should be paid to the parents.  Why does it matter what Country the dog is from.  I think it would be important to see if the parents are representatives of the qualities thier parents.  Ofcourse the more the information you can get about the dogs, the better it is.

Ajay Singh

www.ajaysingh.com

I don't think there is just one rule that applies to all dogs. As the breeder you have to evualte each GSD and their pedigree to determine as best you can what effect the breeding will have.  MY personal opinion is i dont prefer the American AKC lines...

My best breedings with pups who grew to accomplish the most and stay physically sound are the DDR/West/Belgian Blend all together. My DDR lines (with at least 80%) tend not to mature fast enough for me and have WAY too much energy. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE my DDR dogs but that is one issue I have with them. To be honest, the best dog I have EVER owned that accomplished the most and could have done anything, was a 50#, Long Coated, Pet Bred (not even "American Lines" just no titles in over 6 generations), GSD. She is now 13 1/2 so she also has the longevity gene in her favor over my other dogs (DDR or West) who have Bloated or died around 7 to 10.

So I guess I am not afraid to blend due to my dogs histories. There is still no better eye candy than a nice Black Sable DDR Dog though!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tina