Kreative Kennels and DDR/Czech temperement - Page 1

Has anyone ever dealt with this kennel?  I have looked at their site a few times but I don't know anything about them but they have some good looking dogs and impressive pedigrees.  I ask because they are within a decent driving distance from me in California and have the bloodlines and general type of GSD that I am interested in. 

I have been told that the DDR and Czech dogs tend to be naturally more 'impersonal', that they do not become as close with their handler as the other lines do and are of a more independent nature.  After reading some of the history of the DDR military dogs, I can see why this may be true; those dogs were treated like machines, no different than a gun or tank.  My old gelding horse came from ranchhorse bloodlines and had been born and raised a working ranch horse.  It took me awhile to get to be buddies with him and even then, he was never a pet and was just as happy to be left to himself.  He loved to be in the middle of the action, if he was penned where he couldn't see what was going on, he would crib constantly.  I guess that's what you would call a high drive horse!  He was just push button to ride, though and didn't have a mean bone in him, he could be trusted with anyone at any level.  Now if those lines of GSD tend to have that personality (assuming they have had proper training/socializing) I think that would be a good thing. 

Thanks in advance!
Krystin

I have spoken with them a couple of times as they had older puppies from a male I bought. They seemed helpful the first time I spoke with them on the phone but they didn't really follow through on what they promised me on the phone they would do.

I have 3 DDR/Czech dogs all of whom I purchased in their later years (over 4yrs old) and all bonded with me and my family and are independant but VERY family focused and protective more so than the show line and west german GSD's I previously owned and trained. I raised a litter of DDR/Czech puppies from my first DDR/Czech female and found them to be handler focused but not dependable on the handler. I have a friend who has a 90% DDR male and he is very dominate and somewhat aloof.

 Karly, here are a couple of threads you might want to study:

www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/184483.html

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/116263.html

Micky

Never dealt with Kreative Kennels but wanted to comment on Czech temperament.  I have a Czech/Slovak male I got when he was 5 years old.  We bonded very quickly, he's affectionate and social with all family members.  BUT he has an air of self confidence about him whether I'm with him or not that my other GSD's do not have, I suppose that can be called independence.  He's loving and affectionate, lets me know he cares but is not NEEDY...thats what I like about him.  

Not sure if it's just him or the type but wanted to share.

I own DDR, Czech and even Conformation Lines.  I love them all.  Honestly even though many people put down the showlines I have no complaints.  They are just as protective as the working lines. 

I love Ajax and wanted a pup from a litter sired by him with a west german working lines dam. But I found another dog in the meantime. Having so much Crok, he's got to be  a handful. Still like him. Was surprised they hadn't found anyone to do frozen sperm as I was told.

I have a DDR female going on nine and she is very independent but has bonded closely with family.  SHe is aloof to most strangers.  Being independent and confident was a big factor in being a good tracking dog as she loved to lead out and was not prone to want to hang back as some do...

I have czech dogs so I can only speak from what I see. My pack is more independent and as stated above that is what is needed for a good police or tracking dog IMO. They are very pack animals and love being with their pack. So I have not seen any be unsocial. Now some of my guys are very true to the standard about being "aloof"  and I personally love that - some don't (to each is thier own). But as for drives over the top and could not ask for more. I personally love the Czech lines

As for the Kennel  some of the dogs I love but others (structure) I can do without (JMPO).

EK

Cant say anything about  Kreative Kennels as I never dealt with them. But born and grown up in the DDR (with GSDs) I can tell you that only a small part of the DDR GSD served as  military dogs, and those dogs did not represent the temperament of the line well. True DDR dogs are very family oriented and bond to the extreme. They settle down well in the house, yet can switch to protection of their family in a heart beat. They are very good with kids and tend to protect even kids unknown to them if they feel there is a need. They can be clowns and selfentertaining, yet still watchful and aware of their surroundings.

They are excellent workingdogs and will do anything you put them up to. They are very selfconfident and think for themself. Police, sledding, SCHH, FH, herding or service/companion dog, or even babysitter. You name it, they do it. They are somewhat late to mature at around 3 years. And not necessary your dog when you want to go for high level competition, even tho I am not sure if ever someone truly tried. But they still have fire, and will do SCHH3 easily. They are happy to work for you, a simple pet on the chest is reward enough.

Currently I own a 100% DDR girl, 8 months old. Started her in SCHH, and she is doing very well. If the handler is different then the owning family, then there might be a bonding issue towards the handler as they are very loyal to their family.

Krystin

  I own both DDR and Czech dogs. I have a 23 month old 100% DDR female. I also have a 2 year old 80% Czech 20% west german workingline female. I also live in Napa, California. You may PM me if you would like to talk about dogs.

Elkoorr's description of the DDR dog is EXACTLY what I have noticed about them.

As for the Czech dogs I have noticed that they seem to mature very fast. At least my female has. She is very handler focused but isnt always in your face wanting attention. She is aloof to strangers, but isnt shy at all. She is about 60% defense and 40 % prey orriented. She seems to have a real civil side to her. This is what I have noticed with several of the Czech dogs that I have seen.

As far as Kreative Kennels....I have talked to them a few times vis email...they seem like nice people.