Head Shaking in prey drive on the sleeve - Page 1

What are the dogs today which pass on Head Shaking on Sleeve in prey drive?

After Fero I see this in very few dogs. Most of the dogs today  just bite the sleeve and hang on to it tightly.

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Excessive shaking is more often a learned (or allowed) behavior during protection work, meaning that the dog has  not been taught to hold the "prey" calmly. It can also appear with dumbbells in dogs who are improperly trained in that task.

Calming should begin early in puppyhood. Most dogs, given a rabbit they had just caught, would probably shake it to break the neck.

is there is a reason that calming the prey hold is preferred rather than shaking?

Why is it allowed in some dogs in competitons levels??

It definitely looks more intimdating on tha agitator when the dog bites and shakes the sleeve

Cheers

i much prefer it and encourage it but i also use a separate command for a steady hold i have found this a good exercise in control.

Do you mean twisting and jerk-puling while the sleeve is on the helper, or after it's slipped?  If the dog is on the helper, and is doing that while prying with its legs, I like that myself, but not shaking once the sleeve is slipped.  I'd prefer my dog's eyes back on the threat, than in rapture with the prize.  Calm and Focused are somewhat hand-in-hand, and while excitement toward domination of the adversary is most impressive, I wouldn't want it at the expense of a focused and prepared mind.

The whole issue of a dog shaking his head is a dificult one. You may see a dog with a shallow bite and shaking, that I believe is a nerve problem. Now the kind of dog I prefer is one that has a crushing full hard bite and is shaking his head because he is bringing the fight to the man and he is trying to hurt you. Now when a dog wins the sleeve he will probably shake it some but in his training for PPD or PSD he should be braught off the sleeve and onto the man. I dont want a dog that wins the bad guys coat and stays their and shakes it as the guy runs away.....

In Helmut Raiser's book he states head shaking is "making prey" and a good thing.  I haven't met one person who agrees and wonder if this is because these days it is out of vogue.  I wonder what his position on it would now.

-Calvin

The reason a dogs shakes it's head is to kill the prey by breaking its neck. It is just a kill instinct. This is something I want in my dogs.

Head shaking is usually one of three things.....

A. Prey aggression/fight

B. A learned behavior

C. Weak nerve.

In A and C these are genetic.

I prefer a good prey aggression head shaking to a calm grip but that is just me.

No way... Shaking the catch is a kill instinct. I have studied and read alot over the years and observed in many breeds of dogs especially terriors.

Where did you get the info on the three mentioned?

Not trying to fight but think you are wrong but always willing to be open to different thoughts.