Unethical breeding practices - Page 1

I came across something just just bothered me.  There is a small "breeder" that is breeding her 7-8 month old male to an outside untitled female.  The price for a puppy by the 7-8 month old male to this untitled, not hip certified bitch is $1200 with a full health guarantee.  Granted the "stud" is OFA hip prelimed good, he is not even over a year of age!  And of course not titled or proven in any area of work. 

This breeder also advirtises on the website her litters.  Has one on here now with the female only being OFA prelimed.  But yet she offers hip guarantees?  I just don't understand and this makes me sick.  Aren't we supposed to be breeding with the goal of improving the GSD? 

Here is a link to the website:  http://www.gsdpups4sale.com/      So buyer beware!  Isn't it a rule of the AKC that you can't breed a male that is under 1 year of age?  I just feel this is unethical. 

I know not all people title their dogs, but shouldn't getting a dog OFA Certified or a stamped at LEAST be a baseline??  Come on...?  How can someone offer guarantees when they don't even follow this basic step?  I just can't get over the fact that she is publicly advirtising the use of her puppy as a stud!!!!

How do you like this......from the AKC website:  "AKC rules do not allow, except with special documentation, the registration of a litter out of a dam under 8 months of age or over 12 years of age at time of mating or by a sire under 7 months of age or over 12 years of ages at the time of mating".

Where does it say he is only 7 months old? Sorry, I didn't see it. I am not always good at reading websites with lots of text, though ... my little brain fries out on me.

Its all kindof a slippery slope.  

By AKC rules a male can be bred at 8mos old. 

The genetic factors do not varry with age; the male will have the same producing potential his whole breeding career.  Obviously, at that age there are many unknown factors as his joints can still change slightly before 2yrs and he is not yet mature enough to properly evaluate all aspects of his tempernment.  At the same time, many of the top American line kennels do start using their own males at this age.  Many of the top German line kennels in the US and various other countries also start using their own males not too long afterwards (although usually after 1yr) to see how the male will produce prior investing lots of money in promotion and titles.  Its not a practice I would say is necessarily unethical, depending on the male and the situation.  The breeder DOES have to be VERY familiar with the bloodline and VERY familiar with how the dogs in that bloodline mature, as a 8month old male still has a lot of maturing/changing to do.  Thats just my oppinion though....

geeze, guess its 7 mos now. 

Yeah, she's actually located in my area. Weird to see this on here, but glad someone else notices the backyard breeders.  I tried to befriend her because I love talking dogs to fellow GSD lovers, but had a bad experience and dont agree with her ethics and breeding methods.  Can go in more depth if needed, but I wouldn't reccommend her, and wouldn't even imagine breeding a puppy!!!.  I agree with you GSDFan 100%.  I have a male the same age as the male mentioned.  Won't be using him for breeding until about 2-3 years of age after titles are accomplished and Hip/Elbows OFA certifications and a stamp.  And that's only if he is breed worthy and has something to contribute to the breed.....which I'm crossing my fingers!!  Putting a lot of time, blood, sweat and tears into his training.....but it's worth it. 

It's crazy the AKC allows the breeding of puppies.  And allows to register puppies out of dams up to 12 years?!  OMG.....Who would breed an 11 or 12 year old?  That should be lowered to 6 or 7 in my opinion.  I don't plan to breed any of my dogs past 6 years of age.....

clg,

You are right about AKC rules for age of breeding.

GSD fan ,

She advertised her last litter locally for $ 1,800.00 a pup.

I am afraid I know this lady, I hesitate to say more.

You think this is rare GSDfan143?   I don't, not in the usa or the rest of the world.   It happens everyday.

Wow, if she's getting that kinda cash for those litters looks like everyone else advertising puppies from titled parents better ask double for theirs. lol

I don't know how many she sold at that price, a fool is born every second but I do know the price reduced sign went up after a while and the pups were getting to big for the guy in the picture to hold up.  

She's a nice lady and means well but I think she's seen other ad's and just want's to make money.   

Our local market was glutted with GSD ad's this winter in a 100 mile radius.

Its not good.   The one's that seem to sell are the pure bred , parents on site, $250 ad's.   You can ask all you want on the internet but your local reality is always a different story.

Yeah, I don't think she sold many at that price.  She ended up keeping the female from her first litter because she couldn't sell her....she was advirtising her A LOT, and told me she didn't want to keep her because she had too much energy.  All of her litters get all the "reduced price" sign and I actually saw it down for $150 for 16 weeks old puppies in the paper at one point, she has or did have A LOT of "pet quality" GSDs that she constantly would breed when having older litters on the ground not being placed.  A member of the Evansville Obedience Club, that the breeder is also a member of, told me of the conditions the dogs lived in, very sad.  And she sold a GSD to a man as a pet for $250 (from parents with no hip certifications....American bloodline mix) and he just wanted her for a pet but she insisted that he not spay her and use her for breeding because she was top quality.  LOL. I know this because he approached me about stud service (which was denied because the female was only 1 year of age and he wasn't willing to OFA certify his dog)  I also asked her why she didn't have her female that has the litter now hips OFA certified since she uses the health guarantee as a big selling ploy and her excuse was that the previous owner did the prelims and she purchased her pregnant.....well then she ended up breeding her very next heat cycle.

I could go  on and on....but I'll refrain.  I'm glad you think she's nice, I unfortunately didn't get that treatment....o'well!  People like this make me sick.  Working at the Veterinary Clinic you see these backyard breeders every day......very aggravating.

I agree about the local "market" being flooded with the GSD ads there for awhile and it was right when I had my litter....I was a little concerned because yes the $250 GSDs go very quickly!  But all of my pups were spoken for by 5 weeks of age thank goodness....all 10 of them.