How do you know East from West from Czech, ect.?? - Page 1

My question is how do you know what % your dog is of East or West or Czech or whatever?

I see advertisements with 90% East/DDR & 10% Czech....Is there a list somewhere of what the major bred dogs are??

The percentage's included in the ad make it sound bogus to me.   I went thru this with hybrid wolve's  80% this and 20% that.  I dont really know how they figure this but it was total BS as far as I was concerned.   Even after it was explained to me it made little sense.   It would be easier just to study the pedigree for yourself.

DDR should be just that, and Czech came partly from those lines as I understand it.  East or west of what, the old iron curtain?  

Again it just sounds like an advertising ploy to me.   Go to the pedigree.

JMO

Well, it's based off of overall genetic percentages. Consider one puppy/dog:
Each parent contributes 50% of the genetic make-up of that puppy/dog-easily understandable.
Each grandparent contributes  25% genetics of the puppy/dog-again, simple break-down.
Each great-grandparent 12.5% of the puppy/dog-just half of 25% from the previous grandparent generation...
Each great-great grandparent contributes 6.25%,
Each great-great-great grandparent contributes 3.125%, and so forth.
Just remember, adding up the percentages properly has to equal 100% for the puppy/dog for it to be even potentially right.{2 parents(2x50%=100%), 4 grandparents(4x25%=100%), 8 great-grandparents(8x12.5%=100%), 16 great-great grandparents(16x6.25%=100%) and so forth}
And now obviously- a great-great grandparent isn't going to be as influential on a puppy genetically as a grandparent. We have done established that a great-great grandparent only contributes 6.25% genetics for a pup whereas a grandparent contributes 25%. Its obvious who contributes more.
So, if a dog advertized has one Czech bloodline grandparent and the rest are WGR working lines grandparents, then that dog would be said to be 75%(3 out of 4)  WGR working lines and 25% Czech(because  only 1 out of 4 grandparents was Czech). 

If the combination of bloodlines was more complicated(meaning, other different bloodlines used), then you would look at it the exact same way and assign each ancestor a percentage value  based on where it is at in the pedigree and you can use color-coding for simplification (assign green for WGR show, blue for WGR working, red for Czech, orange for DDR to make it EASY for yourself to follow)-and the end figure HAS to equal up to 100% or else it's not done right.  And yes, it does include having a nice knowledge of what bloodline is what-without that information your knowledge is going to be limited. And, genetics aren't exactly cut and dried perfect, either-this is just giving a basic understanding of what percentages mean what-some dogs tend to be stronger in their genetics for certain things than othersand 2ndary genetic effects can happen and so forth, so it either may or may not come out. That's why some pups come out MARKED LIKE or ACT like a grandparent, not either parent, per say. It's why I always say, "breeding animals is not and never will be a perfected science."  :o) Hope that helps.

That sounds familiar, so how do you get a 90% -10% ?   you see my point?

 How is there accent?

As far as knowing particular bloodlines from others, knowing the kennel name assigned to the dog generally will route you in what  direction the breeding is from. These bloodlines are similar, but then again, some are bit stronger driven and minded than others (meaning, it takes a more experienced person to handle a higher drive strong-minded DDR dog than it does an easier going WGR working lines dog). That's true for any bloodlines, and there's harder WGR working dogs and calmer DDR dogs out there-same for Czech dogs. You can't eyeball it and figure whether a working dog is WGR working, DDR(East German) or Czech. If you're not up on the pedigrees to recognize the bloodlines, find someone decent and reputable who DOES know.
WGR Working: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/268.html
DDR(East German): http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/364679.html They sometimes have DDR as part of their registration #.
Czech: Not sure personally on a full Czech dog but I'm sure plenty of people on here would; their registration # usually has CKSP in it.
These are mere examples. I'm a WGR SHOW line person, so I'm not fully 'up' on working bloodlines & pedigrees. There are some awesome working dogs out there, and there's some awesome show line dogs out there-I love to watch them ALL!

Like this: (by the way, I'm not 100% sure you could get as close as a 90/10 unless you average percentages). This is an example only. I'm using names I know, but not pedigrees, per say. I'm trying to keep this simple, yet complicate it so you can SEE how it works. The dog in percentage question is JADA-what is her percentage break-down on understanding her bloodlines? We wanna figure out, by the pedigree I'm giving her, what percentage of what she is. Ok.
 

                                                                G G-Sire: Tim (100% Czech) 
                                    G-Sire: Titus (Czech/Working)
                                                                G-G Dam: Mindi (100% WGR working)
             Sire: Kohle (Czech/WGR.working/DDR combo)
                                                                 G-G-Sire: Tino(100% DDR)
                                     G-Dam:  Meika (WGR working/DDR combo)
                                                                  G-G-Dam: Kora (100% WGR working)

Jada(?)

                                                    G G-Sire: Marko (100% WGR show)
                                   G-Sire: Panjo (WGR SHOW/DDR)
                                                    G-G-Dam:

by katjo74 on 28 April 2008 - 21:04