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http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/412086.html Please comment about this bitch, I have got her mated to Faro zum giglesfelsen S/o Vice Sieger Hill vom farbenspiel The result will be a line breeding 5,5 - 5 Zamb Vonder Weinerau and 5,5 Jeck vom Noricum Please advise what I can expect Unfortunately, We do not have Hip Rating procedure in India and So I do not know the rating that can be given to my bitch although she does not have the remotest of symptoms. Tempermentwise she is pretty OK Inputs are invited and appreciated

I tryed to check it out with the "SV genetics" Faruk vom Susannenhain has a ZW 112 (without HD-stamp) Hollie Eremitenklause ZW 122 (HD A4) so Sweety has a ZW from 117 Dasty Wienerau has a ZW 79 (HD A1) so Unseen Gold has a ZW 98 (without HD-stamp) Faro Gigelsfelsen has a ZW 115 (HD A4) so the litter will start with a ZW 107 Do you not think that the risk (in the first 3 generations 3 x no HD-stamp and 2 x HD-problems) is a problem?

I believe with regards to ZW -breed worth english terms anything over a hundred is not recommended. They say anything around the the 70's is excellent good hip ratings.. Since you have done the mating you will have to wait and see.. Feed the bitch the best quality food you can afford and the pups when they are ready for weaning.. All the best..

Sonja, I do not yet know how you have come to the conclusions on the Hip Points. Is it by averaging the parents figures. If yes Then what are the figures of Hill Farbenspiel and Toska zum Gigelsfelsen and What does Faro's score reflect I do not worry about the scores because in India neither do we have a mechanism to do that nor are people interested in getting all this done. I know from the way my bitch trots and runs for hours together that she does not have any hip problems and 'hopefully' her offspring will not carry any bad hips Faro has excellent lines from both sides and that is What I wanted to capitalise Charisma Thanks for your advise, I give her cottage cheese and boiled egg in addition to Pedigree (Puppy) and also cooked beef with rice, She is due to deliver this week, Any specific advise?? Other than the hips I look forward to know confirmation wise what can I expect seeing the lines in the background Thanks friends

Alex I have done this combination myself that is the inbreeding on Jeck and Zamb 4,5/5-5 I found the shapes were good, good movement the colour was also quite good, but the bitch line carried good colour on the line, ..I had Loads of prey drive on the pups to..I have heard that to close inbreeding on this 3-3 may be dicey regarding hips but it is really hard to predict.. You are not doing a close inbreeding, it won't help to worry, it could work out alright.. The food sounds good, I like the cottage cheese combo with the puppy food how often are you feeding they tend to eat smaller meals at this point, some just eat like no tomorrow..depends on the bitch. They normally do not eat just before they whelp, temperature drops and they start scratching burrowing looking for a quiet dark place, you should have the box/nesting area ready now... Take her to it and let her settle in there, if she does not want to stay don't force just keep showing her the spot, some just have them in the most amazing places if left to it..So watch her carefully. Normal exercise a nice walk no running/jumping I do not travel mine by car at this stage either, unless for a vet check -up..

Charisma Normal days, my bitch is in a 20' x 10' meshed enclosure open to sky and soil on the ground with a couple of trees in it My bitch has zeroed in under the tree and dug up a big pit. I have been trying to take her into a room which i have prepared for her whelp but she just does not like that place. After 15days of effort I am planning to give up I cannot let her loose because there are kids and other dogs in my house and she tends to get aggressive on evrybody except me as she reaches her final stages of pregnancy I am trying my best to make this as easy as possible for her Let us hope for the best Thank you very much

"I do not worry about the scores because in India neither do we have a mechanism to do that nor are people interested in getting all this done." You SHOULD worry about the hips no matter where you are and no matter if people are not interested. It is your responsibility to ensure you are breeding sound dogs. You went ahead and did a breeding without even knowing what the parents hips are like! What a disaster, it is sad because it is the dogs who end up suffering pain and illness because of such a careless attitude. What are you trying to acheive with a breeding like this? I know from the way my bitch trots and runs for hours together that she does not have any hip problems and 'hopefully' her offspring will not carry any bad hips" Unfortunatly that does not mean anything, if it did then what would be the point of doing the x-rays and certification?

Thanks MichelleG..... EXACTLY the thoughts running thru my head!! also Alex, your bitch needs to be put into her whelping area and she needs to learn to settle in... I spend an hour or so a day in the room where I whelp pups for about 2 weeks before and when the time comes, Momma is more than willing to do her work in the appropriate place..She doesn't need to be loose in the house, the aggression thing worries me..... She needs a quiet safe place away from the commotion to have her pups and to feel that they are safe..... Don't meant to sound critical but this is a very important part of breeding a litter (besides the insuring health and temperament will be good) and I whelp litters for other people so I take myu work very seriously... I know the importance of each and every stage...

Alex, ..."Sonja, I do not yet know how you have come to the conclusions on the Hip Points. Is it by averaging the parents figures.".... as you can see I only checked the HD-status in the first generation. "Faruk" has no HD-certification, also not the litter-brothers. A rogue which will have bad thoughs. Hollie Eremitenklause has bad hips (middle HD), about the breeding law she could not be in the breeding. Also Faro Gigelsfelsen has bad hips (middle HD) and also he can not be in the breeding. This is only okay with A1(normal), A2(fast normal) or A3 (noch zugelassen) or the simular status from a other country. Hill Farbenspiel and Toska Gigelfelsen have the HD-status "a"normal, but still it can happen that there is a pup with broken hips. And this dogs can not be use in the breeding! ..."I do not worry about the scores because in India neither do we have a mechanism to do that nor are people interested in getting all this done."... And only about the people are not interest you not want to have attention? In my opinion you are a excellent breeder with excellent responsibility for the animal. ..."I know from the way my bitch trots and runs for hours together that she does not have any hip problems and 'hopefully' her offspring will not carry any bad hips."..... trots and runs and how are her jumps. Can she strech the last part of her back? Can she jump without a problem over a 40 inch jump? Simple x-rays by a Vet. will make it sure.

MichelleG I think before making any statement you should be aware of the scene in India, everybody is not as fortunate as you are 1. OK, I will get the X-rays done, WHO WILL STUDY THOSE REPORTS AND GIVE THE SCORE??. Doctors in India dont even know the breed standard, The Big wigs in the GSD scene in India are not here to do anything good to the breed but to import the best they can with the money power they have and show to win charge hefty amounts as stud fees and forget about the rest 2. I never said I do not worry about the Hips. I said 'I do not worry about the hip scores because there is no way that I can get them scored 3. If you think that I am irresponsible YOU ARE WRONG I would be the first one to get the Hips scored if there is a facility in India, unfortunately there is none. I know I am responsible for what I breed and I am trying my best to breed good stock. If not, I would never seek the peoples opinion on this messageboard 4. Lastly my answer to ' What do you want to acheive by a breeding like this ' Ans. I am doing what i can (Given my resources) to breed the best I can and pass on them to interested people. It is my responsibility towards the dogs I breed that keeps my litters booked three to four months in advance ''What a disaster, it is sad because it is the dogs who end up suffering pain and illness because of such a careless attitude'' FYI 'I have bred eight litters till date and none of them have come back to me with problems all the owners are happy about their dogs'