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by TIG on 20 April 2008 - 20:04
Yoo know it would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad. Why does our breed seem to attract so many BS artists.
Found this site by accident - think you'll just LOVE this quote:
http://www.keystonegermanshepherds.com/what_is_a_heidelberg.htm
Heidelberg is a kennel name that was started in 1971 by Mr. Thompson and his lifetime friend Mr. Richards (pronounced Ri-shard). Mr. Thompson purchased his foundation stock from a competitor, who is a longtime AKC judge. Her kennel produced Grand Victor Harrigan, whom many of the old timers claim was the greatest shepherd that ever lived. Harrigan was from Grand Victor Lance of Franjo who was purchased directly from a breeder in Germany. Once it was realized WSUV (the controlling body in Europe that oversees breeding, registration, and exports of German Shepherds) realized the quality of Lance of Franjo, the rules governing exports of shepherds to the United States was changed and greatly restricted
ARRGH
For folks who don't know the history. Grand Victor Ch. Lance of Fran Jo was an American Bred dog produced by the Ford's in Ohio. While his pedigree does have a number of German Imports ( as many did at the time) please note the bitch lines which had been American bred thru the 40's, 50's and 60's. http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/5/402962.html Did exports to this country become less frequent during the 70s and 80s until the exportation of the SV system to foreign countries in the 80s and 90s. Yes - in part because the American Show dog started to go in a different direction of extreme hind quarter angulation and also in part at the same time the German dogs were going in a very different direction. The breed in Germany unfortunately started to bifurcate into working lines and hi-lines (show lines). There were times during the 70s and 80s that quite honestly many German show dogs were butt ugly with extreme roach backs and ligamentation do tight it was painful to watch. ( Please note I have had German bred dogs since the 1970's so this does not come from a hater of the German GSD)
What is written above is a bunch of BS designed as a marketing ploy. Please folks if you choose to buy a GSD spend some time educating yourself. I don't care whether you buy German or American , working or show but lets stop keeping this kind of BS artist in business.

by Bob-O on 20 April 2008 - 20:04
Too funny. TIG, I agree it is a bunch of BS concerning the origin of the Lance of Fran-Jo, and it is funny to say the least. Unfortunately, someone could easily fall for this (us against them = divide & conquer mentality) and do the "patriotic" thing and purchase a puppy from them. Those darned Germans.....how dare they do something like that?
I did make a peek at their website. The statement you pasted reminds me 100% of those I have seen on websites promoting the "Panda" Shepherd as the true old-world GSD of the past. Drat, the two (2) words that caused me so many issues in my youth come to mind: "Prove It!"
Regards,
Bob-O

by sueincc on 20 April 2008 - 21:04
What else do you expect from an ASS breeder?
by Preston on 20 April 2008 - 22:04
TIG, you are 100% correct. This is one of the biggest line of BS I have ever heard. Beyond absurdity. How come so many Harrigan and scorpio offspring died early? How about Harrigane and Scorpio, did they live long lives? Why, why, why?
Very bad genes that is why, lethal genes infact. Almost all of the American Shephers (note they are not German Shepherds) are a mess physically and mentally. I will concede that there are some rare exceptions like Dallas, but I would have never wanted to buy or own him, he was just okay. My choice a decent looking, decent moving, decent acting WL or SL, actual, real German Shepherd from West German bloodlines (East German and Chec dogs are okay but not my preference). I prefer black and braun, but dark sable is fine too as a second choice if the dog is good enough.

by ZVZW on 20 April 2008 - 22:04
LOL @Mr Thompson being a kennel, or name to be FEARED? Sheesh . While his dogs are ok, they are not top notch.
by gsdlvr2 on 20 April 2008 - 22:04
Of course this is only MPO but, that's alot of butt ugly dogs to go along with the BS.

by VonIsengard on 20 April 2008 - 23:04
Kinda reminds me of the "breeder" here in IL that boasts they were established in 1902....they may have wanted to look into when the GSD actually came to the US...

by yellowrose of Texas on 21 April 2008 - 01:04
Boy can I tell you all about the Heidleburg Kennel in Houston , Texas....No his dogs are not okay.....I wont go there..BUt when Konig was stolen , a deputy who was on our case went to work at his place , just to see what he does there...You dont want to know...and most vets in Texas will tell you .....sorry take that dog back and dont buy the food he sells and makes on his place....I have a pic of his Jersey cows on his mansion sight and the are big , nice ,heavy pigmented and great cows....but thats the cows , not the dogs.....no way.....walk on back legs , no pigmentation and dogs that have problems galore come and have come from this kennel...he doesnt give you an akc registration,, you get a Heidleburg registration and when you breed the dog two times and he get half of each litter he sends you the akc registration....My vet has full knowledge of this scam , as he went toe to toe with Mr Gene Thompson over a little ole lady who had one in his office and she was very m a d she wanted her papers and found out she couldnt get.them..
Gene Thompson did testify in the trial of the crook I put behind bars , for me , and the Dept ., as he stole from Mr. THompson and misrepresented his credentials to Heidleburg , when he was employed in his place...
When Akc became familiar with me, from Texas...the Yellowrose,,,,there is always a little bit of an under flow of a joke about one other Texan , a man , who gets quite vocal with AKC and he gives them the run for their money and is not a nice camper........get the drift....I did ....and It is a standing joke...when I call from Texas.
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