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by bow125106 on 16 April 2008 - 12:04

Does anybody know where to get meth scented towels or pads for training narcotic dogs..I see where dopedog.com has heroin,marij,coke, and crack, but havent seen any meth....


Two Moons

by Two Moons on 16 April 2008 - 13:04

Bow,

You go downtown and look for a bunch of guys hangin out on a street corner looking un-employed yet with money to buy bling,  then you simply buy all you want.   Its easy.


by cledford on 16 April 2008 - 13:04

Since meth is made of a number of highly volatile (not to mention unhealthy) substances and solvents I would think that a place would be hard pressed to produce sudo scent. 

-Calvin

 


Two Moons

by Two Moons on 16 April 2008 - 13:04

Just go downtown and hire a meth head for a day, I'm sure they have the scent on them and they can always use the cash..LOL


by hodie on 16 April 2008 - 14:04

In fact, using the solvents to contaminate rags may be all you need. For many drugs and most explosives,research demonstrates that the dogs are picking up the scent of the solvents used, not the other matter. Of course, they are able to do this in parts per million or sometimes even trillion, so putting an incredibly small amount on the item you are using is probably all that is needed. And, if your dog will pick up the other things you mention, it should pick up meth too.


Trailrider

by Trailrider on 16 April 2008 - 14:04

"I see where dopedog.com has heroin,marij,coke, and crack, but havent seen any meth...." 

I thought crack was "meth"......


deacon

by deacon on 16 April 2008 - 14:04

Crack is a derivitive of cocaine. Are you a private trainer or LE? I get all my odors from our local drug task force. If you are a private trainer you can apply for your DEA license. The requirements are stickybut if you meet them you can order whatever you require to train your dogs.


by Get A Real Dog on 16 April 2008 - 14:04

As far as I know there is no Meth Psuedo scent. I believe it is because Meth is strictly a chemical scent with mulitple dangerous chemicals that cannot be re-created ( although there is a Psueo LSD so I am not sure exactly why) where as coke, pot, and heroin are a natural plant base. Explosive or accelerant dogs can be taught with very small amounts of the actual accelerants or explosive compounds, without harming the dog.

So as Hodie says, yes you can train with very small amounts, but the chemical compound of Meth is very diverse and uses dangerous chemicals found in many common products, eg freon, lye, and red phosphorus. So if you trained for a certain specific chemical, your dog can alert on cleaning products, such as a can of freon, cold medication, book of matches, etc. This can lead to legal issues regarding the search or having to explain a "false alert" in court. Accelerant dogs are used primarily for fires that have already occured and explosive detection dogs are for locating evidence post incident or protective sweeps.

I am assuming you are a civilan trying to train the dog or a LEO who's brass will not release the real deal for training. Either way, go ahead and train the psuedos, and the department will just have to add the Meth. Once the dog learns an odor or two, adding the others is not difficult. Heroin is the hardest becasue it gives off the least amount of odor. Once the dog learns the Meth it will also hit on ecstasy.

I am not the expert here, but I am sure there are some dope dog trainers out there who can provide more info or correct any mis-information.


DesertRangers

by DesertRangers on 16 April 2008 - 20:04

I would suggest you  find a sponsor from your local drug enforcement force.


deacon

by deacon on 17 April 2008 - 03:04

>  If you are going to use pseudo scent to train your dog(s) the company is (Sigma). You must adhere to the storage requirements to ensure they are still properly responding to the odor being taught.

>  There are a lot of trainers(LE) who frown on pseudo citing if it is ever brought up in court "How do you know he can find the real thing"? I have used pseudo off and on for several years and dogs trained on pseudo never failed to respond to the real thing. Also I know of no cases involving pseudo being questioned in court so far.






 


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