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blueshep

by blueshep on 16 April 2008 - 02:04

I really want to breed my female to a stud in Germany. I want to have his frozen seaman sent to Dr. Hutchinson in Ohio so he could do the AI. I have never done this before and I am curious of the sucsess rate of using frozen seaman? Also how do you know you are getting the seaman from the dog you paid to have seaman from? Any advice would be appriciated.


GSDguy08

by GSDguy08 on 16 April 2008 - 02:04

Someone in Germany told it was illegal to send that to the states, but don't necessarily take my word on that.


blueshep

by blueshep on 16 April 2008 - 02:04

The dog is in Holland. I don't know if that makes a difference.


VonIsengard

by VonIsengard on 16 April 2008 - 04:04

My understanding is you cannot get pink papers on a litter concieved through AI. I personally wouldn't do it anyway, expensive, high risk, and who really knows exactly whose "boys" you're getting! You could DNA the pups after they are born, but thats kind of closing the gate after the horse is out.

Is it a working or show line dog? Many nice males in Ohio.


Two Moons

by Two Moons on 16 April 2008 - 04:04

Success rates are not as high as to make it much more than a gamble I think.    DNA which is expensive is the only way to be sure of what you are buying and its still a risk for a scam.   You would need to be there when the semen was collected and transport it your self as far as I'm concerned.   It would make more sense just to fly you and the dog to the stud as far as I can tell.  I see ad's for frozen semen, one was from a dog who's no longer living.  Might as well throw dice in an alley.

JMO.


Sharon9624

by Sharon9624 on 16 April 2008 - 05:04

Frozen semen is quite successful with horses, I have not heard nor had any experience with frozen dog semen. Although I would imagine it works just as well, my vet and I were planning to do it with my male however I lost him prior to having the opportunity. You definitely would want to know the people you are dealing with to be sure you get the semen for the dog you want your female bred to. With the airline tickets being on sale right now your best bet would be take your female to the male. Your female would be traveling as luggage rather than cargo much cheaper way to go. But like mentioned previously there are a lot of really great males here in the US unless you are looking for specific bloodlines.

Good Luck

 


by JGA on 16 April 2008 - 05:04

I don't know aobut bringing semen in from Europe, or what their regulations are there, but over here, the AKC will not register the litter unless the dog was collected by an approved licensed repo center or licensed Vet.  The sire is photgraphed and DNA'ed if not already on file, and if already DNA'ed, you must bring the DNA cert at the time the male is collected, and the dog also must be permenantly identified. The semen must be inseminated by a licensed Repo center or A Vet who will verify the female the semen is inseminated into.

Most Repo centers/Vets won't tell you what their success rate is, as success depends on the quality of the semen, the fertility and age of the bitch, the timing of the insemination, whether it was a vaginal or sugrical insemination, and the care and condition of the bitch etc. So much is not under the control of the Repo center/Vet that did the coollection that did the collection if the semen is shipped, so they can't be blamed for failure once the semen leaves them.

They always do a test freeze and thaw to determine how many million sperm will survive the thaw (per straw) so they can determine how many straws to send to provide for a breeding. I recently had my 11 1/2 year old Ulk Arlett son collected and he had 1.4 Billion per ecacualte, with 60% recovery rate after freezing, so one collection can give several possible breedings ( Most Vets want 200-300 milllion live sperm concentration per insemination)

Frozen semen is BIG business in Horses in Europe and it is used all the time with them, but I don't know the rules in Danemark for dogs. I know the SV won't allow it, but maybe semen from Holland sent to a USA Vet, with DNA on file in Danemark...maybe?

I have 'pup-cicles' stored on most of my males, even from Eros who was born in 1984 and died in 1996. I may want to line breed back on him...who knows. I don't sell my dog's semen, but I have it for my own bitches. I'm kicking myself as I have a great Vom Haus Antverpa (V-SchH3, KKKL1 solid black) that got a prostate infection and is shooting blanks,,, maybe for good, and I didn't freeze him. The kennel was disbanded years ago so the lines are hard to find.Thank goodness I have his son and daughers....Jackie Athon


by JGA on 16 April 2008 - 05:04

I don't know aobut bringing semen in from Europe, or what their regulations are there, but over here, the AKC will not register the litter unless the dog was collected by an approved licensed repo center or licensed Vet.  The sire is photgraphed and DNA'ed if not already on file, and if already DNA'ed, you must bring the DNA cert at the time the male is collected, and the dog also must be permenantly identified. The semen must be inseminated by a licensed Repo center or A Vet who will verify the female the semen is inseminated into.

Most Repo centers/Vets won't tell you what their success rate is, as success depends on the quality of the semen, the fertility and age of the bitch, the timing of the insemination, whether it was a vaginal or sugrical insemination, and the care and condition of the bitch etc. So much is not under the control of the Repo center/Vet that did the coollection that did the collection if the semen is shipped, so they can't be blamed for failure once the semen leaves them.

They always do a test freeze and thaw to determine how many million sperm will survive the thaw (per straw) so they can determine how many straws to send to provide for a breeding. I recently had my 11 1/2 year old Ulk Arlett son collected and he had 1.4 Billion per ecacualte, with 60% recovery rate after freezing, so one collection can give several possible breedings ( Most Vets want 200-300 milllion live sperm concentration per insemination)

Frozen semen is BIG business in Horses in Europe and it is used all the time with them, but I don't know the rules in Danemark for dogs. I know the SV won't allow it, but maybe semen from Holland sent to a USA Vet, with DNA on file in Danemark...maybe?

I have 'pup-cicles' stored on most of my males, even from Eros who was born in 1984 and died in 1996. I may want to line breed back on him...who knows. I don't sell my dog's semen, but I have it for my own bitches. I'm kicking myself as I have a great Vom Haus Antverpa (V-SchH3, KKKL1 solid black) that got a prostate infection and is shooting blanks,,, maybe for good, and I didn't freeze him. The kennel was disbanded years ago so the lines are hard to find.Thank goodness I have his son and daughers....Jackie Athon


steve1

by steve1 on 16 April 2008 - 05:04

I have already mentioned on here that there is Frozen Semen in the USA from a Really outstanding Stud Dog His Progeny doing well in Germany and in Europe

Steve


by JGA on 16 April 2008 - 05:04

Hi Steve1. Who is the dog?  A friend of mine had a litter of 12 from frozen Semen by Gismo last October.... Sorry, I hit send twice on my post above. Didn't mean to repeat myself...Jackie






 


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