N.American studs producing great police/military offspring - Page 1

Does any informed people know of any studs currently in N. America that are or have been consistently producing excellent police/military quality dogs??                                                                                                                                         Preferably the production of "real" dogs,  true fighters that are not sleeve obsessed "sport only dogs", and may even be very hard to handle for most people.

I'm not neccesarly talking about "points dogs", but studs that are producing equivelant or better than themselves when bred to excellent quality females.

I'm talking about a dog similiair in abilities to like  Mink,Troll, Ernst, or Ugo.  I think you can get my point.

Most importanly, I could care less about how "famous" the stud is. I'm only interested in the facts and proof to back up the studs producing record.

I have been getting bounced around in the military for a few years now and I've kinda been out of the loop for quite awhile.  I finally am getting a little time to start  doing some research.  I really want to put together a special breeding, the kind that does not come along very often!

To those who answer the question, THANKS IN ADVANCE!

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Preferably a stud that is "availible".  I know how Americans with money to burn just love to buy up outstanding dogs out of Europe. Then they show their true greed, they lock them away in their closet so they can't have a significant influence  on the breed in America, or as whole!

They say its for "quality control", yeah right,  they should just screen out bad female canidates. It is very simple.

For some reason Europeans just seem to understand that "one" kennel can't maintain the breed, it takes many!

I wonder when the U.S. will figure this out, soon I hope.

Swift,

Do you want an American dog or a European dog?     You talk like you want the best of the best, are you ready to pay for it?

I would think someone has what your looking for but they might not want to deal with you with the attitude.

I know a man who trains k-9's for law enforcement and he go's in person to make selections and purchase's.  Strangely he told me there were no more good dogs left in Germany and he was switching to Mal's.    I didnt get an explaination be he knows what he's doing after being in this for many years.    I dont think he studs out any of his dogs anyway, GSD or not.  Call it job security.     You want to put together a special breeding?   Doesnt everybody... :)

Good luck!!

Most of the K9 that come through the kennel I work for are imported, and many LE departments dont allow the dogs to be used for stud.

 Dont know many people in the dog business with money to burn or what that implies. When you import a dog it is your right to breed or not as you paid for the dog. I live a six to seven hour drive from the nearest airport that takes a 500.00 crate one way mind you, and in traffic could be eight hours total of 16 hours away from the house and have a elderly ill bedridden mother that I am sole care giver,  so I do not do outside stud service it is not feasible coupled with the fact that my females take priorty so it is not always greed that determines whether someone does  outside stud service. I tend to think dogs imported over here and get lined up to every female in america who can stand up is more of a sign of true greed.   

I think there are plenty of Police dogs,  harder type dogs for you to get a stud service in your area if you check around.

When you asked the question I thought you might be looking for a puppy sorry to confuse you hope you find what you need.

Marlene

Two Moons & Marleen,

Let me clarify, I have absolutely no attitude.  I'm a nice guy! It just makes me sick when I think of all the excellent world class studs that have came to america and had 4 or 5 breedings then drifted off into oblivion!  They got passed from one owner to the next after they were bred 2 or 3 times and finally wound up chained to a tree in some idiot's back yard.

 I just really prefer the system of european breeding working dogs over the american one.  Let's be honest, if "american bred dogs" were so truly spectacular, we wouldn't of had to import all these dogs for the past 30 or so years.  If we so truly knew everything, you would have american working kennels that were even better than the best kennels of Europe.

At one point in time both Mink and Fero were in the United  States.  But as usual we failed at exploit the situation, unlike many european  breeders know how to do.  For the most part, they work together a lot better than we do.

Most of the time, in america it is every kennel for itself.

Your right about the difference between usa and ero breeders yet I disagree on much of your other views about importing GSD's from oversea's.  Anyway I hope you find what your looking for.

Hmmmm, I don't think exploit is the right word. That would mean every female lined up and bred, which would create too many pups from that line and possibly cause more harm than good. It always bothers me when I see TONS of pups and adults from one or two well known males in the area. It seems that you cannot find anything esle within a few states driving distance. To me, it just lessens the gene pool to choose from. I think it is better to reduce the females that are bred to well known or desired studs, even it if means only breeding your own females or being VERY selective of which outside females you breed to.

Of  the most importance.

American Kennels need to start embracing the concept of frozen semen a lot more than at the present!  Imagine having the ability to breed back to a outstanding one of a kind Stud that has been dead for 20 years. If the breed keeps on drifting in the wrong direction, breeder and kennels all over the country could go back in time and start over.

Bringing in a female to live breed to your stud is a major pain in the rear.  And if you don't have all the time and resources to do live breedings, frozen semen is a outstanding system. Certain dogs absolutely deserve to contribute to the breed.  If somebody has a great female it  should be able to be bred to one of these "closed" stud dogs.  If you don't want terrible females giving your great stud dog a bad name, then make sure outside females are of excellent quality first, it is very simple.

I'm not talking about greed in the sense of money, but more so as ego.  A hand full of private breedings is not much if you consider how few of the pups make it into working homes, let alone turn  into great stud dogs themselves.

It is not fair to the breed to buy/breed one of these oustanding stud dogs and then lock it away from the world!  They are not "Trophies", but are living tools to greatly contribute to the improvement of the breed.  I would like for my sons and grandsons to enjoy "real working dogs" too, not read about them in a book.

People are free, they can do what they please.  But It would be great if more people thought about "improving the breed as a whole" not just there own kennels.