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by Shandra on 13 April 2008 - 01:04

I have a female German Shepherd, East Germany Working/American Show Lines, 1 week shy of  8 months. About 2 weeks ago I noticed a limp on her r front leg. I assumed she pulled a muscle or twisted her ankle and would resolve on its own. There was no swelling or heat, no evidence of injury to foot, ankle, knee or shoulder. After a week there was no improvement and actually appeared to limp worse. She also appeared to start knuckling which alarmed me. I have never had a dog knuckle but have had a horse knuckle and was told it was nerve damage. I took her in to the vet, he manipulated her foot, ankle, knee and shoulder and really couldnt pinpoint a source of pain. Occasionally she would respond when her ankle was manipulated but that was it. He felt she may have twisted her ankle and prescribed Metacam at the 70# dosage ( her weight). She does not knuckle when walking that I have seen but I have noticed that her foot is more flip-floppy, almost as tho there is not as much control when putting the foot down. She will knuckle when standing at rest, sometimes just the tips of her toes and ankle, sometimes all the way up to the knee. The vet suggested perhaps she had had a blow to the shoulder causing nerve damage. That is not a possibility, she is will me 24/7.  She is fed 6 cups of Biljac Puppy with 1 small can of catfood, this is divided into 2 feedings. She is well within her weight/height ratio with the last rib not painfully exposed but visible. She just came into heat this week.  Do you think this could be nutritional in nature? How can I correct this problem if it is nutritional.? If not nutritional what other avenues should I investigate for a cause? She was on Chicken Soup for the Puppy Lovers Soul but the local store had trouble keeping it in stock so she was switched to BilJac about 2 months ago, ( she has had one 35 lb bag and has had about 1/4 of the second bag). BTW, the small can of catfood is just to add a little flavor variety. It is Fancy Feast, about 2 1/2 ounces, the little bitty cans ( fed the last can this morning, need to go get more so I cant look at the label). It has been a week since the vet visit, she will go back monday. It seemed to get a bit better for a few days but I missed a dose while I was out of town and the limp came right back. She gets the meds once a day with Breakfast.  

Rezkat5

by Rezkat5 on 13 April 2008 - 02:04

It could be pano,  however, if it continues I would go ahead and have her shoulders/elbows xrayed.  Pano will also show up on xray, but not right away. 


Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 13 April 2008 - 02:04

First I thought pannus, but the vet would have picked up on that. When you mentioned knucking under of the toes, I think it HAS to be neurological. That's called proprioreceptor deficit, and my first GSD had it when arthritis destroyed her spine to the point the nerve signals weren't getting through to her hind legs.

Let's hope it's temporay, and due to an injury, and will resolve with the help of the metacam. I hate to think what else might be causing it....   Could be pressure on a nerve from a tumor.


watsongsd

by watsongsd on 13 April 2008 - 02:04

What is knuckling?


by Shandra on 13 April 2008 - 02:04

Sunsilver, I have googled that disease and cannot find anything on it, does it have another name?

 I googled and read up on Pano, that is a possibility, her first heat, change in food to a higher protien, addition of catfood ( not previously used) higher protien. sheeeesh lets just hope its nothing more than a twisted ankle while playing ball. I have always kept her exercise minimal, no jumping, no extended running, limited ball chasing; because I did not want to chance HD or other injuries.


by Shandra on 13 April 2008 - 02:04

to me knuckling is the involuntary turning under of the toes or foot at the ankle or knee.


Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 13 April 2008 - 05:04

Shandra, propriorreceptor deficit isn't a disease. It just describes what is happening with your dog. Proprioreceptors are the nerve cells that tell the dog what position a particular body part is in. When they aren't working properly (have a deficit) the dog doesn't realize its toes are turned under, and won't make the effort to straighten them out. It's a symptom, not a disease in itself.

The dog is vaccinated, right? Distemper can cause neurological symptoms.


by DKiah on 13 April 2008 - 10:04

No xrays, huh?? Would have been my first thought since this has been going on for a week, I think......

It is not unusual at all for a dog to not put any weight on a pano affected limb such as the front leg when still.. it's a very typical symptom in my experience..

However, it is pretty easy to determine with a physical exam, pressure applied to the bone will usually cause a reaction in the dog ....

One suggestion.. get her off Puppy food, put her on a decent adult food if you can't or choose not to feed raw.. BTW, 6 cups of food is an enormous amount of food! If she is really that large, I would keep her very very lean ......

Also, cat food is for cats and I think I have heard if fed over time is not appropriate for dogs as dog food is not appropriate for cats.. there are plenty of  decent canned dog foods...... 

I hope this helps


Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 13 April 2008 - 12:04

Oops...PANO, short for panosteitis, not pannus!  That's what I meant to say in my first post.  Pannus is an eye disease! Sorry, it was late at night...


Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 13 April 2008 - 12:04

Dkiah, my female was on 6 cups of food a day at the same age, and barely maintaining a decent weight! If there's one thing I've discovered with her, it's just how different dogs are in their food requirements!  Now she's past her first heat (which made a HUGE difference!) she's only getting about 3 1/2 cups!






 


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