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by Ramage on 12 April 2008 - 01:04
Here is another prospect. She is a 6 month old. The mother is 100% Czech and I really like what I see on the bottom side. The sire looks to be a miz of East/West/American and not so good. WHat do you all think?
Here is the dam
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/545304.html
Here is the sire
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/545349.html

by Uber Land on 12 April 2008 - 01:04
what are you wanting out of this dog? What are these people asking for this dog? I know of a litter that is all german working lines that is very reasonable in price if you are interested in PM'ing about them.

by Ramage on 12 April 2008 - 01:04
Hello,
I am wanting her for competition. Obedience and maybe Schutzhund with the local club (mostly for fun and maybe more if she is good enough). If she has good hips/elbows when she is off age and proves sound in temperament, possible breeding. She has very high prey drive and I really like her (have seen her in person). Just curious now about her bloodlines. I know I like the bottom side, but not sure about the top.
by eichenluft on 12 April 2008 - 01:04
mother is all Czech - sire is ??????? a mix-match of untitled dogs, mainly American non-working and non-show lines :) - if you're looking for a working prospect only, no problem if the pup is looking good as a prospect - if you're interested in possibly breeding - then nope I would keep on looking.
molly
Eichenluft Working German Shepherds

by Uber Land on 12 April 2008 - 01:04
the sire's pedigree is similar to a young female I own. she has very strong german lines in the 3rd gen. back.
If you have seen the female in person, and she is what you have been looking for, then that is all that matters. I try to judge the dog by its own merits. pedigree's are a great breeding tool, but I have seen bad dogs with phenominal pedigree's, and awesome dogs with what most people would say is a "crap" pedigree.
Jennifer
www.freewebs.com/Uberland

by Uber Land on 12 April 2008 - 02:04
the highest drive, best producing female I have owned was a pet bred american female. she consistently produced over the top toy drive and prey drive, excellent, natural protection instincts, extremely willing, wanting to please puppies, etc. I have had several puppy owners tell me that it was like their puppies came to them already knowing what they should do.
I would give anything to have her back and have been smart enough to keep a puppy or 2.
by AKVeronica60 on 12 April 2008 - 02:04
Here Ramage, I did a mating check on the two parents so that the puppy's pedigree can be seen
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/para.utkoma?fadir=545349&modir=545304
I don't think this is a breeding pedigree, though the puppy itself might be good enough for work. This should be a relatively inexpensive pup for the age, as the bloodlines are not fantastic in the working dog world, unless the sellers have put some serious obedience work into her, which will give her more value. Does the breeder or seller offer any guarantees?
Veronica

by Ramage on 12 April 2008 - 02:04
Thank you! I didn't see that match mating before, very neat tool!
If I were to breed her, it would be to my male, Fuchs Vom Marienhof http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/522792.html
We are currently working him and would like to eventually get him titled. He is 13 months old and had a late start, but otherwise doing very well.
Yes, this girl I like seems to have great natural protection instincts and great drive. I really do like everything about her but for the sire's side. He doesn't have strong lines until the 3rd and 4th generation on back and then it is a mix of East/West.

by weberhaus on 12 April 2008 - 03:04
something the consider is that if this female has great drives and is good for the sport then have at it... But remimber that just becasue she has it does not mean she will pass it on the pups. When you have a dog with a pedigree like this if she is bred she will most lilky produce inconsistant pups. This is not what good breeders look for in there litters. Plus your male is very nice and paperwork wise you would prob have some trouble selling the pups except tot pet homes because of her back ground. just something to think about.

by Ryanhaus on 12 April 2008 - 13:04
Ramage.
Keep looking.......................
Unless they are not finished filling out the sire's pedigree,
you can't even tell if any of his relatives were brought out around
the public, you have no clue as to their temperaments, and you
will be aquiring 50-50 from both parent.
Your dog deserves better, don't sell him short, take your time.
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