White shepherd x blk white poodle - Page 1

For some obvious reason on the top of the page has a google adv and often I see this black and white poodle.

I started thinking what would it be if someone bred their white german shepherd to a black and white poodle that looks like the above picture. I wonder what the results would be?

This is a silly question...why would anyone ever do that?

I imagine it would be similiar to breeding a panda to a white.  It depends on whether or not the poodle carries for the 'e' at the extension locus and whether or not the white shepherd carries one of the recessive spotting alleles.

If the white didnt carry for irish spotting and the poodle didnt carry for white....then you would get some really dopey looking crosses that might have a little white on the chest, but were otherwise sable, b/t or solid.

If the white didnt carry for irish spotting and the poodle carried for extension white...then you would get some really dopey looking crosses that will be sable, b/t or solid maybe with some white on the toes and chest, and some white pups with dark leather.

If the white carried for irish spotting but the poodle didnt carry for white...then you would get some really dopey looking crosses that were spotting on top of Sable, B/T, or solid black.

If the white carried for irish spotting and the poodle carried for white, then you would get some really dopey looking crosses that were sable, b/t, or solid maybe with white spots, and some white dogs with black leather.

The cause of the white is two completley different alleles in these two animals.

~Cate

White spotting is incompletely recessive - therefore most of the pups would be mostly solid.

Whether they would be black, black and tan or sable is another question - depending upon what the shepherd was carrying at the gene locus for the series of alleles that express solid, black & tan or sable coloring.

While black in Shepherds is recessive it is incompletely dominant in Poodles...(as in Cockers) and black and tans in Poodle breedings (or black and silvers) tend to be darker - ie the black covering a larger portion of the head, legs etc...

Strangely enough, in poodle crosses, the hair length of the ensuing puppies tends to be longer IF the Dam was the poodle and the Sire was the other dog. Why this is hasn't been clearly addressed yet (as far as I know). So if the dame was the poodle the pups might have as much coat as a Schnauzer (but softer) - IF the Sire was the poodle the pups would probably have coat more like a Laekenois.

BTW They are already doing this and calling it a new "designer breed"  Shepadoodle 

Selling them with all the false hybrid hype they use on all on the other designer mutts!

That is not a GSD X Poodle. Look at thier site & read. These are Parti colored Standard Poodles.

I have seen Parti Colored minis. They are not at all common here.

I'm all for asking quetion because this is how we learn.  This is that rare case when I must say that this question has no place on this board.  We are purist, albeit working or show, but purist none the less.  When you have learned all things GSD, then branch out to the obscure.  If you have time to think about this sort of thing, you obviously have too much time on your hands.

Kyle

You need to understand genetics of this sort in order to qualify as a legitimate breeder.  If this level of genetic analysis is beyond your reach -- and I admit it is complicated --  don't breed without help.

Knowing color genetics is NOT a sign of too much time.  It is a sign of intelligence and responsibility.  Don't get defensive when it's time to learn something.

White GSD x black & white Poodle.  Most likely colour is solid black with minor white spotting on chest and feet.

The vast majorty of Poodles are homozygous KK - dominant black, so the expression of A locus patterns (sable, B&T, rec black) is not possible.   There is always the exception though and tanpoint Poodles do occur, so K^y is obviously in the Poodle at low frequency.  If so in this case, then any of the patterns could occur depending on what the Shepherd carried.

If the Shepherd happened to carry recessive e, then solid white, cream or apricot could occur at a 50% incidence.  Also less common recessives could crop up like liver and blue as the brown and dilute alleles occur in both breeds.

More extensive white markings are possible but very unlikely as Shepherd are generally homozygous SS though irish spotting may be in the breed at very low incidence.  The 'panda' shepherds are most likely the product of a new mutation and not the S locus.

The coat type of the pups would most likely be short/normal coat length but with 'wire coat' from the Poodle.  This is dominant, or at least partially dominant (broken coated) so there would be extended coat length on legs and face (beard).  Long coated pups of the same type (bearded) would occur at 50% incidence if the Shepherd carried long coat.  Curliness would probably be somewhere between the two parent breeds, similar to a Labradoodle.

If the Shepherd happened to carry recessive e

I did mean Poodle of course

Cate, would you elaborate on the differences in genetics between "irish spotting white", "extension white", and just plain "white"?