Dentition and KKl1 and KKl2 - Page 1

Can someone (experienced breeder preferred) please advise:  what are the dentition requirements for KKl1 and KKl2.  Can a KKl1 rated dog have one missing P1?

Thanks

2nd question:  If a pup at seven months has one P1 showing very well and the second barely above the gum line, should one do an X-ray to show that is was once there?  Can it be resorbed (as I've heard it can)?

Thanks again

 YES! 

 If the tooth is there and just not fully erupted, leave it and let it come in. Most will. If you are worried it will not, if there is an injury or whatever, it is possible to take an x-ray. But many dogs have this happen and all is well in the end.

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Wanderer,

here is a direct link to the terms for breed surveys: germanshepherddog.com/regulations/breed_survey_regulations.htm . Your question is answered under para. 7.1.3.: Only dogs with faultless dentition can be breed surveyed into KKL1, double P-1s are possible. However, often the apparant double P-1s are not double at all. Some cases just have a double crowns but one root. I took a female once to a dental specialist and he advised against pulling one due to that. It used to be a common practice in Germany, because the SV had a regulation that only dogs with a perfect dentition could be rated VA, no double teeth or extraction. Luckily, they changed that. One prominent example in recent history was V-1 Eros vd Luisenstrasse, ineligible for VA due to an extradicted tooth.

The most common missing tooth is a P-1. This problem is not just restricted to certain lines, but occurs in showlines and workinglines. As a matter of fact, the AKC ignores that problem, the SV does not. In other breeds, the jawline is often too short to even have space for the P-1s. I have sold quite a few otherwise super nice youngsters because of that missing P-1. It is such a bummer! But I am a stickler to good dentition. Otherwise, you manifest that problem into your breeding program. If you notice that P-1 missing, the first thing to do is to have the jaw x-rayed to make sure that it is really missing or if it just has not come through the gums. If that is the case, you need to get this piece of gum removed to show the tooth.  This removal of the gum is also a common practice in Germany. But if the dog's P-1 is barely showing, that should not matter, as long as the judge can see that it is present.

Chris