deworming before mating - Page 1

hello all, When is the "right" time to deworm a bitch before mating, considering that (some) drug may interfere with either spermatozoa or released ova in the bitch? Or in other words, is deworming(say 7-4 days) before mating inhibits the chances of conception? (I think so, but depending of the drug used). Just want to get cleared on this.

We worm all our dogs with Ivomec.  We have been doing it for many years, and it has never interferred with conception when breeding.  Our puppies are born worm free and therefore have a great start in life, which begins with a worm free mom.

Some people may disagree with this, and it may not for everyone. However, it works for us and we will continue to do it this way.  we like the results we get with this method.

Hope this helps.
Good Luck

how many days interval do you deworm before mating?

We worm faithfully at the beginnng of each month and continue to do so. We do not stop at all, for any reason. Ivomec does not take care of tape worms. If there is need to worm for tapes, we would suggest Safeguard wormer.  That is given for three days in a row.  If we need to worm with that, I would make sure to do it at least a week before breeding.  

Once again, this has worked for us and that is how we will continue to do it.  As with the other methods of worming, I am sure there are others that may disagree. But I say we all must do what we feel comfortable with and what works for each individual person.

Why do you guys routinely deworm dogs without first having fecal exams? Most adult dogs don't ever have a parasite problem, so why do you do that? If your dogs get Ivermectin as heartworm preventative, they are already getting what they need to kill most worms common to dogs. Your dog won't get tapes  unless it has fleas or eats an animal that is infected. If you see the tape segments, deworm the dog. Otherwise, don't give your dogs poisonous drugs that may not be needed. I've had dogs for over 50years and have had only ONE adult dog that has needed to be dewormed.

Hutchins, you deworm your dogs monthly?

Yes I do, as a heartworm preventative.  It taking care of the other parasites is not the reason we use it.  Where we live it is an area that has alot of mosquitos.   I will not stop worming with Ivomec.  It has not harm our dogs in all the years we have been doing it this way, so I will continue to use it.  It works for us just as you not worming your dogs works for you.

 Like I said earlier, we all have to do what we feel works best for us.  

Of course you use ivermectin monthly to prevent h-worm. So do I; I live in Tampa Bay.  The OP asked about the right time to deworm a female prior to breeding her. If he is giving the dog a monthly h-worm preventative like ivermectin, then he probably doesn't need to give her anything else. If not, then he should have a fecal done before just routinely givng her medication she may not need. Some seem to think that adult dogs need to be "dewormed" just because they are dogs.

I'm hijakcing this thread a wee bit - sorry to the OP!

I have a question regarding deworming. I was shocked to hear you deworm with Ivermectin monthly! Is this normal for dogs? I don't remember the protocol for heartworm etc., I'm sure dogs have different risks than horses.

I come from the horse world, so I'm just curious if it's different. We have a BIG problem with parasite resistance from improper/too frequent deworming with horses and Ivermectin is one of the last/best drug types left out there.

Do you guys not test for parasites by doing regular fecal tests? That's how we do it at our farm. Most times we find we don't even need to deworm, and why put all those chemicals into your pet if it's not needed?

For example, we just got our mare back from training and she was dewormed at the training barn in the fall with a pyrantel pamoate based dewormer. We had a fecal done on her and my gelding two weeks ago. My gelding was last dewormed in the fall after the last hard frost for tapes & bots (Ivermectin). His FEC came back at 0 - he did not need to be dewormed. My dad's mare came back with an FEC of 800!!! :-o  She had to be done again (we used Ivermectin on her this time) and we are doing another fecal on her this Thursday to check that it worked.

Are you guys not worried about parasite resistance problems? Once you have a resistance problem, you're pretty much screwed (just like improper use of antibiotics). It's a REALLY scary thing to think about. I am out there every day and pick the poop up out of our paddocks to help keep their possible exposure to parasites at a minimum, the threat of parasite resistance terrifies me! I was just wondering if deworming monthly is a very good idea?  :-(

Depending on where they live and their vets' protocols, most dogs are given h-worm preventative monthly year round. Ivermectin would usually be the drug of choice, there are others.

IMO, adult dogs and puppies should never be routinely dewormed without first having fecal exams. Dogs and horses are pretty much the same as far as intestinal parasites go. Adults rarely need to be treated for them.

I'm with you, I don't give my dogs any chemicals they don't need.

 

Using Ivomec to worm for all other parasites is not the PRIMARY reason we use it.  We do not use it thinking we NEED to worm for other internal parasites.  
We do take our dogs alot on many different grounds.  Grounds such as the woods, cattle pastures, fields, streams, canals, and lakes.  This happens several times a week.  There are many wild animals, such as wolves, coyotes field rats, squirrels, raccoons and many others,  that roam these areas.  We do socialize alot such as parks, and recreational areas and many places that many other dogs are.  Keep in mind not ALL people routinely worm their dogs, and there is no way possible to stop these people from taking their pets in public places.  Now with this said, do you still think that worming regularly in our situation, for prevention is a bad idea?  Why should we wait till its too late and they already have been infected,  to have to treat them when it could have all been prevented.  

Just my opinion. I will continue to use Ivomec as it works wonderfully for us for the past 30+ yrs. If is becomes necessary to change to something else, I will.  But till that happens, We will be  Ivomec people.  

Happy Worming!