Stud Dog for Gabi - Page 4

BTW: Better to e-mail me privately than PM. I don't check my messages here so often.

SS

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Originally posted by Shelley Strohl:

As far as offering a puppy in lieu of stud fee, the value of that offer depends on the stud dog owner, who may or may not own a female to breed to their dog for a puppy THEY want to raise and train. If the dog owner is serious about training the puppy to titles, my kennel name firmly attached, its a win-win for both parties, never mind the market value of the puppy.

Interesting.   But it doesn't change the fact that the stud fee should be just that...the stud fee.  Now, if they want to purchase a puppy "THEY want to raise and train"  from a litter their dog sired then that is their option.  And their expense.  Their sire is still the sire as recorded regardless of who is registered as the kennel name and who raises and trains the pup.  That's also a "win/win" situation.

I've been breeding dogs long enough, owned enough stud dogs, to have participated in just about every arrangement you can think of, on both sides of the fence.  Hell, if someone comes to me with a female who I think will make my male look good, I'll bend over backwards to get the breeding done!  I've even delivered my males to people's homes, repro clinics 100 miles away for the breeding.

Bully for you!  Again, all about the money - from the person that comes with a female without funds to breed but wants (and can clearly support despite lack of funds) a litter to delivering the male to insure the breeding/funds. 

Nowhere did I say that you were "in the dark" about the possible complications of pregnancy/whelping. I spoke to the one we know as "Brittany" directly, answered her questions IMO and advised her to take other questions to a thread of their own.  I wasn't the first to request that - just a bit "nicer" about it.  Go back and re-read the post.  Is there, seriously, any part of that which you didn't get/weren't able to grasp? 

If you want to take on the risk of breeding an aged bitch without benefit of progesterone testing, funds on hand, etc. that's your damn business and, by all means, you're welcome to it. I don't give a rat's ass about how you manage your dogs and  finances.  Yet here you are looking for "stud dog on credit" recommendations despite having allegedly spent so much on kennels.  Did you not do your research prior to this and talk to people before she came into heat to find out if that was a possibility with the owners of the stud dogs you preferred?  Did you not set a few dollars aside for this while constructing the kennels?  Shame on you if you didn't. 

You state you have bred to your own stud three times?  And yet it's only now that you've "decided" to intoduce new blood  using a 7 year old bitch who failed to conceive once before?  Hmmm....

I also don't give a damn whether/when/if you use credit cards at all.  I stated to Brittany that it was bad practice to use money you don't have.  That is, in essence, what a credit card is.  You do whatever the hell you want.  I voiced my practice and opinion.

That, as someone made a point of mocking, is the real world.

Did you not do your research prior to this and talk to people before she came into heat to find out if that was a possibility with the owners of the stud dogs you preferred?

Gabi came into heat 2 mos. early. So much for my "plans..." My vet charges $95. EACH for progesterone tests. figure $300. for a series. Add $50. EACH for a vaginal smear. My stud dog can tell me exactly when a female is ready ...for nothing. LOL

You state you have bred to your own stud three times?  And yet it's only now that you've "decided" to intoduce new blood  using a 7 year old bitch who failed to conceive once before?  Hmmm....

WRONG. She was bred to another dog last time. Gabi's in very good condition, just turned 7 in Feb. As any experienced breeder or canine repro specialist would know, to leave her open twice in a row might compromise her fertitliy and safe delivery of whelps in future.

Did you not set a few dollars aside for this while constructing the kennels?  Shame on you if you didn't.

This is  the only construction project that went over budget and behind deadline? Any construction pros want to comment here?

I don't give a rat's ass about how you manage your dogs and  finances.

Good. So go over in your corner and lay down. I'm not going to explain myself further here to get in some pissing contest with someone I don't even know, and, more importantly, who doesn't know ME.

Thanks again to all the people who are contacting me privately about breeding their dogs to my Gabi-girl. If she could read, I know she'd be blushing.

SS

Did you not do your research prior to this and talk to people before she came into heat to find out if that was a possibility with the owners of the stud dogs you preferred?

and...

...to leave her open twice in a row might compromise her fertitliy and safe delivery of whelps in future. ...

Gabi came into heat 2 mos. early. So much for my "plans..." My vet charges $95. EACH for progesterone tests. figure $300. for a series. Add $50. EACH for a vaginal smear. My stud dog can tell me exactly when a female is ready ...for nothing. LOL

OMG, that is just priceless! 

So, you hadn't thought of preferred studs and spoken to/made arrangements with the stud owners.  Were you waiting for the day she came into heat to do that?  Or when your stud said she was ready to breed?  When was her last heat?  Yesterday?  Yep.  Clearly you had no time to prepare.

Again, it's all about the money.  Yes.  Absolutey.  Nothing more scientific and accurate than an experienced stud dog to let you know when a female is ready to breed.  Clearly both stud dogs were so accurate last time that she didn't conceive.

This is  the only construction project that went over budget and behind deadline? Any construction pros want to comment here?

Now this has me in fits laughing.  Shelley, no project that I estimated, supervised construction of or worked on myself when needed went so far over budget or behind schedule (not because of penalty and bonus clauses but because of my accuracy in estimating) that the builder/developer/homeowner could not afford a few thousand dollars, I'm sure.  

Construction costs - ????  Progesterone/vaginal swabs $500.00 or so including office visit.  Stud fee:  $800.00 or so. 

If yours went over and above costs then it's you that doesn't know what you're doing.  Stupidity should be painful.  Months out of heat, months of construction?  Yeah.  Not much time to set aside a few dollars.

So go over in your corner and lay down.

  To use words similar to your own, you do that yourself, but pull your tail out from between your legs when doing so.  It's really not becoming. 

I don't know who you think you are but I don't go "into a corner and lay down" to or for the likes of you or anyone else. Talk about not knowing anything about "ME" (as you put it).

Fiona, how many litters have you bred, how many stud dogs have you owned, how many times have you timed a female's cycle or dealt with breeding/whelping/raising a litter?  Would love to know where all of your "experience" is coming from.

Posted by eichenluft:

Fiona, how many litters have you bred, how many stud dogs have you owned, how many times have you timed a female's cycle or dealt with breeding/whelping/raising a litter?  Would love to know where all of your "experience" is coming from.

6, 1, 6 (4 of those with the help of my vet at the time) and 8 in order of your questions. 

Now, Molly, let me ask you a few questions.

How many puppies have you produced?  How many of those puppies obtained more than a CD or a CGC?  When is the last time you sold a dog to a working home?  When was the last time any of one of your puppies earned anything more than a CD or CGC?  Who was the sire?  When was the last time that Eagle produced a pup that got a title - not just a CD or a CGC?  I'm talking title here. 

And, why, other than the fact that Eagle was mentioned here in this thread for Shelley to "go back to", do you feel the need to rear your head in such a manner -  in a thread that has become more about finances and breeding without them than the original post?

Why is any of that your business, Fiona?  And why are the choices Shelley is making any of your business?   '

molly

Why is my experience any of yours, Molly?

I notice you choose not to answer those questions, and that's fine.  Those were questions I had when looking for a breeder to buy from and is one of the biggest reasons chose NOT to buy from you. 

Now, take your happy ass back up and re-read.  What I said originally was to the one we know as "Brittany" along with a cyber-boot at the end to take breeding questions to their own thread and gave her several "jobs" to do (based on my own opinion of finances as I stated) to occupy her time.

And, perhaps you don't remember, but I do.  You were a nasty bitch on the phone 3 years ago when I first considered getting another puppy and you still are. 

I don't see you answering the questions I asked, Molly.  Not then, not now, and not even showing enough respect to answer yours.

Speaks volumes.  Answer the questions or shut the fuck up.

Who's the "nasty bitch" Fiona?  I think you are tooting your own horn here.   I don't remember speaking to you on the phone, now I can see why.  LOL  Your questions are out there for anyone interested in my program to research on their own.  You obviously have a screw loose just like the breeder you bought your pup from.  Hope she works out great for you, you deserve each other.

molly

WOW this got heated and the "LADY" throes out the F-BOMB. ouch!